Young Griff: Is Aegon Targaryen Still Alive? [ASOIAF Books|GOT Seasons 1-5 SPOILERS]

At the start of a Song of Ice and Fire we
learn the unpleasant truth about King Robert Baratheon’s ascension to the Iron throne
and the Lannister alliance, which secured the victory over King’s Landing and gave
Robert his crown. In particular we discover that after the sack
of King’s Landing, Tywin Lannister, as a token of his fealty presented the newly crowned
King Robert Baratheon with two corpses wrapped in crimson cloaks… We are told that these
were the bodies of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell’s children.
As the gates of King’s Landing opened for Tywin Lannister and his bannermen and as he
proceeded to lay waste to King’s Landing, Ser Greogr Clegane, also known as the Mountain
who rides, on the orders of Tywin, did his best to ensure that no Targaryen heirs would
remain to reclaim the iron throne. Of course, Robert Baratheon and Tywin Lannister
would never truly be satisfied in their bloodlust for Targaryen heirs because both Viserys and
Danerys Targaryen, King Aerys’ other two children, would manage to escape their clutches.
But the point remains, we are led to believe that apart from Viserys and Danerys, no other
Targaryen heirs remain…well apart from Aemon Targaryen and Blood Raven, but that’s besides
the point. The direct claimants to the Targarygen dynasty
who have a feasible claim, i.e. are not sworn to the Night’s Watch or presumed to be dead
are King Aerys’ two surviving children Viserys and Danerys, but then Viserys goes and get
himself a golden crown, which then leaves only Dany.
Or so we are led to believe up until book five in a Song of Ice and Fire, a Dance with
Dragons…in which a new character is introduced, one who goes by the name of Young Griff.
At first, we solely view Young Griff through the eyes of Tyrion Lannister during his sojourn
on the Shy Maid. Tyrion describes him as a lithe and well-made youth, with a lanky build
and a shock of dark blue hair, noting him to be terribly handsome with his dark blue
eyes that are black by lamplight and in the light of dusk, purple.
Tyrion also goes on to note Young Griff’s intelligence and capabilities at arms, acknowledging
that his skills are beyond that of any high lord of Westeros, very impressive indeed,
for a boy who claims to be just the son of sellsword.
And, speaking of sellswords, we hear the first whispers of Griff, Young Griff’s father,
back at the manse of Illyrio Mopatis. Illyrio confides in Tyrion that there is a
way for him to return to Westeros without losing his head in the process. That there
is a savior that could undo all the convictions against him…he ambiguously refers to this
savior as a dragon with three heads. It is later implied that Illyrio is referring to
Danerys Targaryen and her three dragons. Tyrion is to meet Danerys in Volantis via
the river Rhoyne on which he is to travel on the Shy Maid, accompanied by a man named
Griff. According to Illyrio, Tyrion and Griff are to wait patiently until Danerys arrives,
and from Volantis carry her across the sea to Westeros.
But as Tyrion becomes better acquainted with the inhabitants of the Shy maid, he begins
to put the pieces together, revealing their true purpose.
In truth, why else would a septa, sellsword, halfmaester, and hedge knight be accompanying
a young boy on a pole boat, simultaneously tutoring and protecting him, before their
imminent meeting with Danerys Targaryen? The answer at first is not obvious, but Tyrion
being the clever little dwarf that he is manages to uncover the truth, that Young Griff is
no sellsword’s son but Prince Rhaegar and Elia Martell’s son, Aegon Targaryen, and
Griff, the man who claims to be his father, is in fact Jon Connington, the exiled Lord
of Griffin’s Roost and a dear friend of Prince Rhaegar.
It is later explained by Aegon himself that the corpse laid before the Iron throne was
that of some tanner’s son from Pisswater Bend whose father sold him to Lord Varys for
a jug of Arbor gold, after his mother died birthing him.
Varys then gave the Pisswater boy to Princess Elia Martell and smuggled the infant Aegon
Targaryen across the narrow sea to his dear friend Illyrio Mopatis, who in turn hid him
on Ysilla and Yandry’s poleboat, and arranged for the exiled Lord Jon Connington to pose
as his father. Appearance wise, the older Prince Aegon does
look like a Targaryen well enough, taking after his father, Rhaegar with his silvery
hair and purple eyes. However, Aegon’s words and his appearance
do not necessarily prove him to be the true heir, considering that a large majority of
the population of Volantis and Lys has silver hair and purple eyes.
So, a boy of a similar appearance could easily be found and passed of as a Targaryen, and
it is made much easier considering that the memory of the infant Aegon is very fleeting
for the majority of Westeros. So, essentially appearance wise there seems to be no absolute
way of determining if Young Griff is indeed Aegon Taragyen.
Logistics wise, it does seem unlikely that infant Aegon would have escaped Robert Baratheon
and the bloodthirsty Lannisters during the sack of King’s Landing. But, in times of
war and chaos, as our friend Littlefinger (insert chaos is a ladder video here) likes
to remind us, nothing is certain and everything is opportune…
Indeed, others have escaped the wrath of Kings before, Queen Rhaella with her children Viserys
and Danerys, Tyrion Lannister, Sansa and Arya Stark, and even Gendry.
So it’s not completely impossible that the infant Aegon was replaced with another baby
and thus the corpse that lay before Robert Baratheon was that of another child, but that
would also mean that Princess Elia Martell mistook her son for another, which seems unlikely,
I mean what mother wouldn’t recognize her own child?
That is, unless she was in on the swap as well… because, infant Aegon couldn’t have
necessarily waltzed out of King’s Landing himself, he would have needed the aid of others.
It would have also helped for there to be some hindsight that such an event would take
place… Which once again leads us to Lord Varys, the
master of whispers at King’s Landing. According to Aegon, it is Varys who arranged
the swap, so it’s possible that Varys had knowledge of Tywin’s plans to betray King
Aerys and was aware that the lives of the Targaryen heirs would be in danger, which
would explain why he warned King Aerys to not open the gates to the Lannister forces.
Interestingly however, from what we know of Tyrion’s short stay at Illyrio’s manse,
Tyrion was provided with a large chest of fine clothes made for a young boy, and when
Tyrion, Haldon, and Duck depart for the Shy Maid, Illyrio supplies them with several large
chests, one of which is a chest of boy’s clothes, which Tyrion makes use of whilst
on the Shy Maid. And, on both occasions Tyrion notes that the
clothes are fine but musty, with moths having got at them, implying that they were not newly
purchased for Tyrion, that they had been at Illyrio’s manse for quite some time.
This leads to the possible theory that in the period of time between the sack of King’s
Landing and Jon Connington and Aegon’s meeting, Aegon must have spent a considerable amount
of time at Illyrio Mopatis’ manse in Pentos. Aegon was likely sent away after this time
to not only prepare for his role as the future king of Westeros, but to also prevent him
from meeting Viserys and Danerys, who after the death of Ser William Darry, come to stay
at Illyrio’s manse. And, this is where Varys and Illyrio’s supposed
plan gets confusing, if Varys and Illyrio wanted to place Aegon on the Iron Throne,
why were they simultaneously supporting Viserys’ claim?
There are two plausible reasons for their duplicity, the first being the more practical
reason; Varys and Illyrio are well experienced when it comes to the cutthroat world of the
game of thrones. And, considering the number of years they have both spent orchestrating
this plan, it would be very uncharacteristic of them if they did not have a back up plan.
So, it is likely that Viserys and Danerys were only pieces being used by Illyrio and
Varys, to utilize and dispose of depending on how their plan was to unfold.
If by chance something were to happen to Aegon or if their plan ultimately failed, they would
have had two more potential claimants to the Iron throne in the form of Viserys and Danerys.
If however, the plan supporting Aegon were to succeed, Viserys would have been expected
to bend the knee to Aegon. However, despite their precautions, when it
comes to Viserys and Danerys their plan does go slightly pear shaped.
For instance, Viserys proves to be extremely difficult to manipulate, refusing Varys and
Illyrio’s suggestions of him remaining behind at Illyrio’s manse, while Danerys travels
to Dosh Kahleen with the Dothraki army, eventually managing to piss off the Dothraki to point
where they reward him with a golden crown. And, in terms of Danerys, it probably never
occurred to Varys and Illyrio that after her brother’s death she would not only go on
to make her own claim, but also hatch three dragons (!?!#*@*!).
The other plausible reason for Varys and Illyrio’s duplicity is that Viserys and Danerys were
never considered as potential claimants to the Iron throne. Instead, their only purpose
may have been to gain support from Targaryen loyalists, which would bolster Aegon’s claim,
considering that Viserys and Danerys are acknowledged by the people of Westeros to still be alive,
whereas Aegon’s survival is unheard of, and also to afford Illyrio and Varys the time
needed to form a considerable army in the form of Khal Drogo’s Khalasar. While under
the security of Jon Connington and company, Aegon would be prepared for his future role.
And, when the moment would be most opportune for Aegon to stake his claim, Viserys would
arrive with his dothraki army and give support to Aegon’s claim.
And, the reasoning behind not having Viserys and Danerys as spares for Aegon is most likely
because Aegon himself rather than House Targaryen, is particularly meaningful to both Varys and
Illyrio, and so in their eyes there can be no alternative to him.
Quite the worthy enterprise you would think, but Varys and Illyrio’s interest in such
a venture does give rise to suspicion… As Tyrion himself puts it, why would a magister
of Pentos be so interested in who wears the crown in Westeros?
Illyrio reasons however, give rise to even more suspicion, Viserys promised Ilyrio that
he would be granted a lordship and named master of coin once he came into his throne. But,
Illyrio himself likes to stress that not everything he does is for gain, and that ultimately his
actions are to help his dear friends. The friend he speaks of apart from Danerys
Taragaryen, is Lord Varys. Illyrio first came across Varys when he was a young boy in Pentos,
They were both penniless, Illyrio scraping by as a bravo and sellsword and Varys as a
thief. Eventually Illyrio grew so respectable that
a cousin of the Prince of Pentos let him wed his daughter, whilst whispers of Varys’
talents crossed the narrow sea, to the paranoid King Aerys.
However, closer scrutiny does bring forth a very plausible theory for Varys and Illyrio’s
true motives for being involved in this venture… A major clue comes in the form of the Golden
Company, widely considered to be the finest of the free companies, and founded a century
ago by Aegor Rivers aka Bittersteel, a bastard son of King Aegon IV Targaryen aka Aegon the
Unworthy. Despite the known unreliability of sellswords,
the Golden Company is reputed to have never broken a contract, until now that is.
Because you see before the company began its march towards Volantis to await the coming
of Danerys Targaryen it was under contract with the Free City of Myr. Tyrion always the
clever dwarf notices this discrepancy but Illyrio assures him that contracts can be
broken, and more importantly he states that some contracts are writ in ink, and some in
blood. This is a very interesting statement Ilyrio
makes. The Golden Company has maintained its shining reputation thus far on the basis of
not only the skill and competence of its men but on its words, “Our word is good as gold.”
So, it seems unlikely that such a reputable company would tarnish its reputation on whim
to support Danerys, dragons or not. Which, is why Illyrio’s statement ‘some
contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood,’ deserves greater scrutiny.
Lets start with King Aegon the Unworthy, he had several mistresses and even more bastards.
Which, is fine and everything…“It’s Good to be King” and all that. But, on his
deathbed Aegon made the terrible judgement of legitimizing all of his bastards, that’s
right, all of them, making things quite difficult in terms of the line of succession.
Two of these bastards, Daemon I Blackfyre and Aegor Rivers aka Bittersteel, revolted
against King Aegon’s trueborn son, King Daeron II Targaryen.
The rebellion was a failure and Daemon and two of his sons died in the final battle.
And, every knight and lord that had pledged fealty to Daemon lost his titles and lands
and was forced into exile, this included Daemon’s remaining five sons and Bittersteel.
But as the exiled lords and knights fled Westeros, signing on with various sellsword companies,
Bittersteel decided to form his own company to bind together the strength of the remaining
Blackfyre line and its loyalists, and thus the Golden Company was formed.
The company would attack at least four more times until Maelys, the last of the male line
of House Blackfyre, was killed upon the Stepstones. So, now that we are a little more acquainted
with the Golden Company’s history, the implications of the statement ‘some contracts are writ
in ink, and some in blood,’ are much more obvious.
The Golden Company was formed to bring together the strength of House Blackfyre and its supporters,
and its ultimate objective was to place a descendent of House Blackfyre on the Iron
throne. Until now that is, because as mentioned by
Illyrio, the Company has broken its contract with Myr and is marching towards Volantis…to
await the arrival of Danerys…who happens to be a Targaryen…the very House that the
Golden Company has rebelled against for generations. When Tyrion points out this discrepancy, Illyrio
replies ‘Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.’
Illyrio is of course referring to the heraldic colors of Houses Targaryen and Blackfyre.
The Targaryen standard consists of a red dragon on a black field, whereas the Blackfyre standard
is the reverse, a black dragon on red. Illyrio further assures Tyrion the male line
of House Blackfyre ended with Maelys upon the Stepstones, and so by supporting Dany,
the Golden Company could not hope to gain the Iron throne for House Blackfyre but it
would instead give them something Bittersteel and House Blackfyre never could, a chance
to finally go home. Once again however, Illyrio’s comments deserve closer inspection…
To begin with, Illyrio’s dismissiveness regarding the Golden Company’s loyalty to
the Blackfyre claim is slightly credulous, true he may have a point with the male line
being extinct, and the incentive for the company men to finally go home to the lands their
forefathers once owned, but he seems to wave off the fact that this is a company of men
whose forefathers fought for their lives and honour against the Targaryens, who lost their
titles, lands, and their homes in their loyalty to House Blackfyre…
And secondly, although Illyrio states that the male line of House Blackfyre is extinct,
he makes no mention of the female line. Instead he goes on speak of his second wife,
her name was Serra and he found her in a Lysene pillow house only to wed her in the end. Serra
later died of the grey death much to Illyrio’s sadness.
And, this is where Tyrion’s scepticism comes into play again. Tyrion strongly believes
that there is something in the venture worth more than coin, castles, or loyalty for Illyrio.
In truth, all of Ilyrio’s carefully worded statements, the Golden Company’s contract
writ in blood, dragons black or red, the extinction of the male line of House Blackfyre, and his
Lysene wife, point towards a very plausible theory.
That Aegon Targaryen is not the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell but is actually
a Blackfyre pretender and the son of Illyrio Mopatis himself.
In particular, Illyrio’s specificity in his statements leads us to this theory. For
instance, he specifically states that the male line of House Blackfyre is extinct, and
thus leading to the possibility that House Blackfyre is not completely extinct, that
descendants of the female line still exist. And from what we know, apart from his seven
sons, Daemon Blackfyre also reputedly had three daughters, and although there is no
knowledge or mention of two of these daughters, apart from their actual existence, there is
a mention of a third daughter, Calla. Specifically that prior to the first Blackfyre
rebellion, Daemon agreed to marry Calla to Aegor Rivers, the man who later founded the
Golden Company and come to be known as Bittersteel. But, this is where it gets pretty murky, because
we don’t know much else about Bittersteel and Calla or in particular what happened to
her after Bittersteel died, and we also don’t know whether they produced any issue.
But if Bittersteel and Calla did have children, Illyrio’s wife Serra would fit the description,
considering she has notable Valeryian features, such as her silvery blond hair, and Bittersteel
himself was known for having distinctive purple eyes, which would explain Aegon’s silver
blond hair and purple eyes. Therefore, it could be argued that Aegon is
Ilyrio and Serra’s son, which is why Illyrio makes the statement, ‘writ in blood,’
Aegon would not only have the blood of a Blackfyre through the female line, with his grandmother
Calla, but also that of Bittersteel, the founder of the Golden Company, making him the strongest
possible Blackfyre claim once the male line has been extinguished.
And, this is most likely why Illyrio and Varys were able to make a secret pact, a ‘contract
writ in blood,’ with the previous commander of the Golden Company, Myles Toyne aka Blackheart,
a member of House Toyne, and a descendent of Terrence Toyne.
Terrence Toyne was executed for bedding one of Aegon the Unworthy’s mistresses, and
when his brothers tried to avenge him, they were both executed as well, leading to the
downfall of House Toyne. This should be sufficient knowledge to assume that Blackheart would
be the least likely to support a Targaryen king, especially considering he also fought
with Maelys on the Stepstones, and thus most likely still harboured great resentment towards
House Targaryen, and so Illyrio’s flippancy regarding the old rivalry between House Targaryen
and Blackfyre, is most likely a guise to convince Tyrion and to keep Aegon’s identity hidden.
It also pays to note that the pact was made with Myles Toyne, rather than the current
commander, Homeless Harry Strickland, and so Myles most likely knew the truth, that
Aegon was a Blackfyre pretender, and it also explains why Jon Connington himself was not
privy to this conversation. From Jon Connington’s pov chapters, we know
he believes Aegon to be Rhaegar Targaryen’s son…so to keep Jon Connington committed
to Aegon’s claim, considering he was a strong Targaryen loyalist, and above all Rhaegar’s
friend, it is likely that Illyrio, Varys, and Myles Toyne agreed to keep Aegon’s true
identity from him. And of course in order for Varys and Illyrio
to succeed in joining Myles Toyne to their cause, they must have had some incentive apart
from gold and their word, which brings to mind that earlier drafts of a Dance with Dragons
revealed that George R.R. Martin made several cuts to the draft of Tyrion’s pov chapter
in which, Illyrio and Tyrion part ways. In particular, when Illyrio suggests accompanying
Tyrion, Haldon, and Duck to Gohyan Droye before they head downriver, on the account that he
wants to give Young Griff his blessings and has a gift for him in the chests. Haldon refuses
him because they are short on time, but Illyrio becomes angered and argues there are things
Griff must know. Haldon then eyes Tyrion and speaks in another language. Tyrion cannot
tell what it is but thinks it might be Volantene. He catches a few words that come close to
High Valyrian. The words he catches are, queen, dragon, and sword. This information has great
significance. The fact that George decided to cut out this particular passage hints towards
him not wanting to reveal too much information. What stands out in particular, is Illyrio
wanting to speak with Aegon in private and the mentioning of a sword.
The sword, which Illyrio may be referring to in particular could be Blackfyre, the Targaryen
sword of kings, and the very blade used by Aegon the Conqueror himself.
It could even be argued that it is Blackfyre itself, that most aptly symbolizes the House
Blackfyre claim, as it was the very sword that was bestowed upon Daemon I Blackfyre
by his father Aegon the Unworthy, and from which Daemon took his name.
The possibility that Illyrio was referring to this sword, and even possibly wanting to
give the sword to Young Griff, is very meaningful, it pretty much confirms that Aegon is in fact
a Blackfyre pretender. It is also highly likely that it was the presentation of this very
sword, which gained Varys and Illyrio the support of Myles Toyne and therefore the support
of the Golden Company. And, this is where Varys comes into play as
well, Varys’ involvement in this entire venture, as Tyrion guessed with Illyrio, has
to be so much more than just coin and castles. In truth, Varys could have Blackfyre blood
as well and could actually be Serra’s brother, which would make Illyrio and Varys’ close
friendship much more meaningful and believable. It would also then make sense why Varys shaves
his head, so that he can hide his Valyrian hair, as well as why he was castrated as a
boy. We know from Melisandre’s practices that sorcerers prefer to use royal blood in
their rituals, as there is power in king’s blood, and if Varys is indeed a Blackfyre
he would have royal blood. Furthermore, Illyrio states ‘dear friends
and debts of affection to pay’ for the reasons he is helping Danerys Targaryen, but the dear
friend he is referring to here is most likely Varys rather than Danerys, considering he
only knew Danerys for a few years before he sold her to a Dothraki Khal and Illyrio himself
states that before he met Varys he was a penniless bravo and it was only through Varys’ skills
and intelligence that he rose to the position of magistar and became one of the most powerful
and wealthy men in Pentos. And, thus the debt of affection he is referring
to could be the one he owes his late wife and her brother-who also happens to be his
childhood friend, to help them place his son a Blackfyre descendent through his late wife
and her brother, on the Iron throne. Further evidence for Aegon being Illyrio’s
son comes from Illyrio’s treatment of Aegon. Illyrio always speaks fondly and tenderly
of Aegon, a fondness he never showed Viserys or Danerys for that matter. And, when Illyrio
and Tyrion finally part ways, Tyrion notes that oddly Illyrio is deeply saddened he cannot
join them and meet Aegon one last time, implying once again that Illyrio’s relationship with
Aegon must be much more meaningful than that of guardian and ward…
Apart from all this, throughout the series, leading up to Aegon’s appearance in a Dance
of Dragons, there is a great amount of foreshadowing, not to mention visions and prophecies, which
all seems to allude to Aegon being a false Targaryen.
In particular, there is a passage in a Feast for Crows, in which Aegon’s appearance in
a Dance of Dragons as well as his true identity is possibly foreshadowed.
The passage in particular is the one in which Brienne, Podrick, Ser Hyle Hunt, and Septon
Meribald stop at the inn at the crossroads. Septon Meribald explains to them that the
inn once had a different name, the Clanking Dragon, which came from a three-headed dragon
of black iron, that used to hang from a wooden post in the yard, clanking and clattering
when the wind would blow. The sign was eventually cut down however,
when Daemon Blackfyre, whose sigil was that of a black dragon on red, rose up in rebellion
against his trueborn brother, Daeron Targaryen. The lands upon which the inn stands used to
belong to Lord Darry, a fierce Targaryen loyalist, and so he hacked the sign to pieces and cast
them into the river. One of the dragon’s heads washed up on the
Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with rust.
And, because at this point we already know that the Targaryen sigil consists of a red
dragon on black, whereas the Blackfyre sigil consists of a black dragon on red, the sign
itself could symbolize House Blackfyre. Further evidence comes from the lines “he
hacked the black dragon to pieces, and cast them into the river” which again heavily
alludes to House Blackfyre, because as mentioned earlier, after the failure of the first Blackfyre
rebellion, the remaining Blackfyre line and its supporters were exiled, fleeing across
the narrow sea and spreading across the continent of Essos. So, this passage could very likely
be foreshadowing the reappearance of a Blackfyre heir.
And, the final lines of the passage give further support to this theory, “One of the dragon’s
heads washed up on the Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with
rust.” The dragon’s head, which this line may alluding to is Aegon, who returns to Westeros
across the narrow sea, and although he may truly be a Blackfyre, and thus a black dragon,
he returns as a Targaryen pretender, a red dragon.
And then there is Danerys’ vision in the House of the Undying, in which a cloth dragon
sways on poles amidst a cheering crowd. As Dany later states, this is a mummer’s dragon,
a cloth dragon used by mummers in their performances. This image could actually be alluding to Varys,
as it is speculated that Varys was behind a popular puppet show performed in King’s
Landing, the show portrayed the kingdom of beasts, ruled by a pride of lions that grew
overly arrogant and began to devour their own subjects, and when the noble stag objected,
they devoured him as well, stating that it was their right as the Kings of beasts, however
at the show’s end, a dragon is hatched and in turn devours all the lions.
The possibility that this show was arranged by Varys, certainly gives an insight into
his motives, Varys has often said that what he does, is for the good of the realm, and
perhaps being aware of the Lannister’s treachery, cruelty, and arrogance he sees it as his duty
to place a more worthy king on the iron throne, this being either a Targaryen or a Blackfyre.
And, lastly in Quaithe’s prophecy, Dany is warned of a lion, griffin, and a mummer’s
dragon, and urged to trust neither of them. “No. Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass
candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark
flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them…” The lion and griffin is surely referring to
Tyrion Lannister and Jon Connington, as their House sigils are a lion and griffin, respectively.
In regards to the mummer’s dragon, the mummer could be referring to Varys, as it is known,
that as a young boy, he travelled and performed with a troupe of mummers, and his dragon could
be none other than Aegon himself, as Varys’ is one of the central supporters of Aegon’s
claim. And, so an interpretation of the mummer’s
dragon could be that it represents a false Targaryen propped up by Varys. And, because
Quaithe also warns Danerys of Tyrion and Jon Connington, it gives further evidence to the
theory that the entire venture to place Aegon on the iron throne must in someway be false,
considering that Dany is prophesied to be the slayer of lies. So, to sum up this video, although it could
be possible that Prince Aegon is a true Targaryen and the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and
Princess Elia Martell, at this point in the Song of Ice and Fire series, we do not have
any concrete proof of his claim, only his word and that of his supporters. However,
as discussed in this video, there do remain three other possibilities for Aegon’s true
identity. These being that, Aegon is a descendent of
the female line of House Blackfyre, or more specifically that he is the son of Illyrio
Mopatis and his second wife Serra, a descendant of House Blackfyre and the sister of Lord
Varys, or lastly, that he is just some random boy with Valeryian features. And, because
we have yet to receive pov chapters from Illyrio and Varys, we have to make do with these possible
theories until Winds of Winter is released and we learn the truth about Aegon’s identity,
my bets are on him being a Blackfyre pretender though. So that’s it for Aegon for now, but if you
are interested in learning more about the various characters in ASOIAF, check out my
previous video on Littlefinger…And if you enjoyed watching this video, don’t forget
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  2. I love this theory. I wonder how the show handles this plot, if at all. As everything looks like they'll leave Aegon out of it completely.

  3. wait, so the three-headed dragon could refer to aegon, daenerys, and jon…? three targaryens; three dragons.

  4. Gaahhh! Speak slower!!! This is also somewhat complicated! You got to have time to think and connect!

  5. It really helped me to understand all the fast speaking by turning on the subtitles and pause once in awhile.

  6. I think you just gave answers to the prophecy about Daenerys' betrayal.

    If Young Griffin/Aegon is a Blackfire masquerading as a Targaryen, he would be the betrayal of blood.
    Illyrio the betrayal of love for his late wife and friend Varys (if he is brother to Serra).
    If Quaithe's prophecy to not trust the lion, griffin, and dark flame could be seen as accompanying the prophecy from the house of the undying; then Tyrion (or at least a Lannister who is often related to gold) would also be one of the betrayers.

  7. Is old man
    Prince Aemon Targeryen
    Is still alive?

    Last time we saw him
    He was on Season 5,
    Part of the Night Watch.

  8. it is highly unlikely, yet possible.
    Jon connington was the hand of the king during the sack of King's landing, so it is possible he rescued baby aegon.
    tyrion's description also implies that young griff is likely a targaryen.

  9. I hope this is true. We still haven't had a man worthy to have the iron Throne. It would be SO powerful, if we, in the next season, were introduced to a new face, who could make claim on the throne, and be quite a pain in the ass to Daenerys 😉

  10. aegon vi targaryen is a real Targaryen. sorry fan girls but jon snow is not the prince that was promised.

  11. Well that wouldn't make a very good claim to the throne cause bittersteel never took the surname Blackfyre and kept his own sigil, and as far as we know, by law Calla is now a "Bittersteel" or whatever, and how much Blackfyre blood would Aegon have if only his great, great grandmother is a Blackfyre? Very littler. it would make much more sense for maelys or his cousin daemon to have a sister who got married and had children before Maelys was killed, and the children then had a son and daughter (Varys and Serra), which Serra married Illyrio (who based on his statue of him in his manse had very very pale blond hair and darkish blue eyes (meaning that he is probably of valyrian descent, like distantly). Serra in turn had silver hair and big blue eyes (but what if Illyrio is hiding her true eye color, purple), and that their child Aegon had inherited purple eyes through his mother and his hair through both?? This is more speculation and still it makes more sense than Varys smuggling Aegon

  12. starting to like your videos but in this one Jesus Christ can you slow down talk and I can barely keep up with you

  13. Good information and reasonable theory. BUT please slow down. A lot of information but only semi understandable to someone who knows what you are talking about. If, to the person listening, this was new information they would never be able to follow you. Just a tip. SLOW DOWN.

  14. I am sorry, but this is spoken way too fast AND monotone, which made it impossible to listen to it or understand anything…

  15. I haven't watched the video, too long and completely monotone, so I don't know if you mentioned what I'm about to say or not. We all know that GoT is heavily influenced by the war of the roses and there's one very interesting part of that war that people overlook when thinking about Young Griff's true identity. Lambert Simnel. Following Richard III's death, his last remaining supporters masqueraded Lambert as his relative and heir. You could argue that this is evidence that Griff is a pretender.

  16. Sounds like she is reading and much too fast. It takes away from understanding especially if you are trying to read too. Didn't care for this video but now curious as to the Young Griff. Did I miss something? Was he in the TV series?

  17. Fuck.. how can anyone withstand her speaking this Obnoxiously… Seriously.. be MORE professional about it. Speak proper. Thanks in advance.

  18. I just want to spit in your mouth so you can hopefully read your text more proper. Are you 12 years old? Why cant you read the text for your viewers like you really should instead of mumbling.


  20. "Young Griff" is not a Targaryien or Blackfyre. He is a Dayne of Starfall. Possibly Ashara Daynes son. The Daynes had valyrian features.

  21. I hate those youtubers who make a top 5 theories made by other people. There are already dozen of same video with the same basic theories that every interrested readers know about. Those theories aren't even really deep analysis of the book. The youtuber who made that video took probably less than 30 minutes to write it by checking other video already on YouTube and not by rereading the book and come with hais or her personnal conclusion

  22. Rhaegar is still alive? What is he doing? In hiding with Tupac, Biggie, Osama and Howland Reed? Is he constantly bickering like husband and wife with Howland over what he did to Arthur Dayne? Come on…

  23. 1) If true, why would the female line suddenly matter?
    2) If true, a shit ton of people would have to know; people on the shy made and the leadership of the golden company. This means that Varys and Illyrio trust all these people to keep their mouths shut for years and I truly don't think they would risk that. + If Jon were to find out, all would be lost.
    3) It's already a conspiracy, chances of another conspiracy within this conspiracy are extremely low.
    4) Blackfyre (or Dark Sister) would give Aegon legitimacy as a Targaryen as well.

  24. You talk way too fast. It's hard to understand you, but I still enjoyed your video. Young Griff is, IMO, the most intriguing character of the series. It's a shame we probably won't see or hear from him in the show. Hodor. Hodor? Hodor!

  25. Ok if anyone can explain why Varys would bother purposely misleading a dying Kevan, especially in the fucking epilogue of ADWD, which is usually more of a cliffhanger/big revelation than a misdirection, I'm sold. Try me!

  26. Knowing GRRM, a Blackfyre pretender would make more sense than another secret targaryen. Although, I think he'd make a good choice for the throne. Let's face it, Danny is slowly going insane, and Jon doesn't want it (nor is he good the under the table politics).

    Griff is young and charismatic, but Varys made sure the boy had humble origins and you can bet he has access to all of Varys' secret networks. Being a Blackfyre from the female line, he'd be the least likely to go mad out of him, Danny, and Jon. (Danny is already starting to go mad, and Rhaegar was just as inbred as her, so Jon isn't completely safe) If he was introduced earlier, I would've said he had a pretty good chance.

  27. When a fast talker needs to slow the videos speed down in settings….. Girl you need to slow the hell down lol. Otherwise a great vid.

  28. There is one more point to add to the theory that Varys lied about Aegon being Rhaegor and Eiia's son.He says he traded the baby for a jug ofArbor gold. Whenever there is a reference to arbor gold there is some kind of falsehood associated.

  29. We’re all caught on Quaithe’s prophecies concerning the ‘mummer’s dragon’. A lot of people believe that this implies Aegon to be a fake. However, in Martin’s writing, Aegon is as the ‘mummer’s dragon’, not a mummer dragon or a mummers dragon. The semantics of he writing indicate possession to the number, aka Varys. So unless Varys himself is a Blackfyre (unlikely), it would’ve been next to impossible for him (or anyone) to completely trace back the Blackfyre roots.

  30. Perhaps, if G.o.T. the motion pictures are to be trusted to have advance notice on this matter & do ultimately parallel the events of the text, at least here : Jon Snow may indeed be Ægon The Heir (after all pale hair can turn dark & v.v. in some cases), while Ægon the child may indeed as you surmise be Ægon The Black Dragon!

  31. That is why on the show when they said about Jon "and is name is Aegon Targaryan" I went "stupid morons". Cause it cuts you of the possibility of bringing in the young Aegon.

  32. For fucks sake, she doesn't talk that fast, I understood all of it. If you have a problem, slow the. Video by 25% ©®©®

  33. I wonder how this will play out for the fake aegon. Cuz he doesn't seem to be a bad person at all and he himself believes that he is rhaegars son but at the same time us readers dont want him to gain the throne so if he dies I wonder how that would happen

  34. Illyrio would care who sits the Iron Throne because you get a lot of benefits from having your friend on it like if Illyrio needs help aegon would help him with the power of the iron throne

  35. Thanks! This was great! Do you still feel this way? I know we haven't gotten winds of winter yet but we have gotten more info an rhaegar Targaryen, it is possible he thought to sneak his son out as an infant would be much easier to replace then a toddler or a wife and prior to the rebellion he was planning to possibly over throw his father for the throne, protecting his heir would be smart. I do love your break down and theory, best I've heard!!

  36. You idiots complaining about the speech pace do realize this is free fucking content, right? You do also realize you can slow down the YouTube video speed to 0.75X or even 0.5X, right?

    Make your own videos if this is so beneath your standards.

  37. Why would Viserys support Aegons claim with the Dothraki when he is the rightful heir being Aerys son? Argon isn’t the rightful heir as he is thought of as ‘Rhaegars’ son. Plus Viserys was named as heir when Aerys correctly assumed Rhaegar was conspiring against him

  38. There's also the problem of the dornish genes being dominant; in multiple accounts, children of mixed parents where the mother was from dorne, children nearly always resemble the mother.

  39. Another argument that can be made against him being a Targaryen is that if Elia truly was in on it why wouldn’t she request the same be done to her daughter she was dornish after all and we know the dornish views on women

  40. Interesting subject and you take on it, but please speak slower. It is unbearable to listen to, and I am just saying that with good intentions, not to mock you.

  41. Aegon has no real claim though, not while daenerys and viserys was alive. Ageon was only born because the mad king had given up on getting a daughter, which meant that the pure targaryan family reign was over. They had to seek out the best option, the closest to someone with valyrian blood. Thence aegon and rhaynis were born. However, when daenerys was born, the pure valyrian blood line was secured again, as viserys and daenerys could marry, and continue the blood line from there. I guess aegon and daenerys would be the best option to continue the valyrian and targaryan bloodline as of right know though, even though it’s not pure

  42. The lady reads much too fast. Terrible, no full stops, no commas, and absolute no pause. Why the rush? Gave up trying to listen.

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