‘Master Plan’ Author On How He Leads By Example | Morning Joe | MSNBC


POSSIBILITY.”>>NBC’S RICHARD ENGEL, THANK>>NBC’S RICHARD ENGEL, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THAT YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THAT REPORT. REPORT. WILLIE? WILLIE?>>BUT WHILE THE GROUND BOTH SID>>BUT WHILE THE GROUND BOTH SID NEXT GUEST SAID IT STILL AIMS AT NEXT GUEST SAID IT STILL AIMS AT FAILURE. FAILURE. AT THE AGE OF 17 CHRIS WILSON AT THE AGE OF 17 CHRIS WILSON SHOT AND KILLED ONE OF TWO MEN SHOT AND KILLED ONE OF TWO MEN THAT CORN ERRED HIM, HE WAS THAT CORN ERRED HIM, HE WAS SENTENCED TO 17 YEARS BEHIND SENTENCED TO 17 YEARS BEHIND BAR. BAR. AND HE TELLS HIS STORY OF THE AND HE TELLS HIS STORY OF THE NEW BOOK, “THE MASTER PLAN” AND NEW BOOK, “THE MASTER PLAN” AND CHRIS JOINS US NOW. CHRIS JOINS US NOW. IT’S GREAT TO MEET YOU. IT’S GREAT TO MEET YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>YOUR STORY IS INCREDIBLE.>>YOUR STORY IS INCREDIBLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOUR LIFE A LITTLE UNDERSTAND YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT. BIT. YOU GREW UP IN WASHINGTON D.C. YOU GREW UP IN WASHINGTON D.C. IN THE LATE ’80s, EARLY ’90s, IN IN THE LATE ’80s, EARLY ’90s, IN THE THICK OF THE COCAINE THE THICK OF THE COCAINE EPIDEMIC. EPIDEMIC.>>YES.>>YES.>>TALK IF YOU WOULD, JUST A>>TALK IF YOU WOULD, JUST A BIT, CHRIS, ABOUT THE NIGHT THAT BIT, CHRIS, ABOUT THE NIGHT THAT HAS SHAPED YOUR LIFE SINCE. HAS SHAPED YOUR LIFE SINCE.>>I REMEMBER IT WAS ABOUT 24>>I REMEMBER IT WAS ABOUT 24 YEARS AGO, I WAS WALKING TO THE YEARS AGO, I WAS WALKING TO THE STORE AND SOME MEN WERE STORE AND SOME MEN WERE FOLLOWING ME AND I REMEMBER THEM FOLLOWING ME AND I REMEMBER THEM THREATENING ME AND SURROUNDING THREATENING ME AND SURROUNDING ME. ME. AND I HAD A GUN ON ME. AND I HAD A GUN ON ME. I WAS CARRYING A GUN FOR I WAS CARRYING A GUN FOR PROTECTION. PROTECTION. AND I ENDED UP TAKING A PERSON’S AND I ENDED UP TAKING A PERSON’S LIFE THAT NIGHT. LIFE THAT NIGHT.>>HOW OLD WERE YOU?>>HOW OLD WERE YOU?>>I WAS 17.>>I WAS 17.>>YOU ALSO LOST YOUR FATHER THE>>YOU ALSO LOST YOUR FATHER THE SAME NIGHT. SAME NIGHT.>>I LOST MY FATHER TWO MONTHS>>I LOST MY FATHER TWO MONTHS AFTER THAT, WHILE I WAS IN AFTER THAT, WHILE I WAS IN THERE. THERE. MY FATHER WAS KILLED WHILE I WAS MY FATHER WAS KILLED WHILE I WAS AWAITING CHILD. AWAITING CHILD.>>YOU WERE GIVEN LIFE IN PRISON>>YOU WERE GIVEN LIFE IN PRISON WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PATROL. PATROL.>>I HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF>>I HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF PROTOCOL PROTOCOL PAROLE, BUT IN THE STATE OF PAROLE, BUT IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND YOU DON’T GET PAROL. MARYLAND YOU DON’T GET PAROL.>>I KNEW IN MY HEART I WAS A>>I KNEW IN MY HEART I WAS A GOOD PERSON. GOOD PERSON. AROUND THE TIME I WAS SENTENCED, AROUND THE TIME I WAS SENTENCED, I WANT TODAY PROVE TO MYSELF AND I WANT TODAY PROVE TO MYSELF AND THE WORLD THAT MY LIFE WAS THE WORLD THAT MY LIFE WAS REDEEMABLE. REDEEMABLE. IT WAS AROUND THIS TIME I WROTE IT WAS AROUND THIS TIME I WROTE UP THE MASTER PLAN, AND IT WAS A UP THE MASTER PLAN, AND IT WAS A PLEDGE TO TURN MY LIFE AROUND PLEDGE TO TURN MY LIFE AROUND AND DO THE SAME. AND DO THE SAME.>>HOW DID YOU CONVINCE A PAROL>>HOW DID YOU CONVINCE A PAROL BOARD THAT LIFE IN PRISON WAS BOARD THAT LIFE IN PRISON WAS NOT WHAT YOU NEEDED. NOT WHAT YOU NEEDED.>>I HAD TO DEMONSTRATE IT>>I HAD TO DEMONSTRATE IT THROUGH MY ACTIONS SO FIRST THROUGH MY ACTIONS SO FIRST THING I DID WAS EDUCATE MYSELF, THING I DID WAS EDUCATE MYSELF, A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, COLLEGE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, COLLEGE DEGREE AND WENT THROUGH THERAPY DEGREE AND WENT THROUGH THERAPY TO PROVE MY LIFE WAS TO PROVE MY LIFE WAS SALVAGEABLE. SALVAGEABLE.>>WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE>>WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHEN THEY ASK YOU WHAT THE WHEN THEY ASK YOU WHAT THE MASTER PLAN IS? MASTER PLAN IS? WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY? WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY?>>THE MASTER PLAN IS ABOUT>>THE MASTER PLAN IS ABOUT SOMEONE WHO THINKS ABOUT HOW SOMEONE WHO THINKS ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO BE REMEMBERED WHEN THEY WANT TO BE REMEMBERED WHEN THEY’RE GONE, WHAT THEY WANT TO THEY’RE GONE, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR LIFE, HOW THEY DO WITH THEIR LIFE, HOW THEY WANT TO MAKE THE WORLD A LITTLE WANT TO MAKE THE WORLD A LITTLE BETTER AND THE STEPS YOU DO WHEN BETTER AND THE STEPS YOU DO WHEN YOU GET THERE. YOU GET THERE.>>ONE OF THE THINGS YOU>>ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED IS YOU HAD TO KEEP MENTIONED IS YOU HAD TO KEEP UPDATING THIS MASTER PLAN, UPDATING THIS MASTER PLAN, IT’SES A PROCESS. IT’SES A PROCESS.>>RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>JUST TO TRANSITION INTO ONE>>JUST TO TRANSITION INTO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE REFORM OF ABOUT TODAY IS THE REFORM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WE ARE IN ONE CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WE ARE IN ONE STEP IN OUR MASTER PLAN PERHAPS STEP IN OUR MASTER PLAN PERHAPS WHAT OTHER STEPS DO YOU SEE US WHAT OTHER STEPS DO YOU SEE US TAKING GOING FORWARD? TAKING GOING FORWARD?>>THAT’S A GOOD FORWARD.>>THAT’S A GOOD FORWARD. EVEN WITH THE LATEST LEGISLATION EVEN WITH THE LATEST LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED, WHICH IS GREAT THAT WAS PASSED, WHICH IS GREAT BUT THAT WAS PASSED A AT A BUT THAT WAS PASSED A AT A FEDERAL LEVEL AND MOST OF THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUFFERING IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUFFERING IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ARE ON A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ARE ON A STATE LEVEL. STATE LEVEL. SO I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF WORK SO I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF WORK WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT, ESPECIALLY WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT, ESPECIALLY SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, MEN, SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN ARE STILL WOMEN, AND CHILDREN ARE STILL BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT ON A BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT ON A STATE LEVEL AND THAT’S ONE ISSUE STATE LEVEL AND THAT’S ONE ISSUE WE NEED TO ADDRESS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS.>>THE U.S. LEADS IN THE WORLD>>THE U.S. LEADS IN THE WORLD AS THE TOP JAILER OF THEIR OWN AS THE TOP JAILER OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. PEOPLE. AND THERE’S ALSO A REALLY JUST AND THERE’S ALSO A REALLY JUST DEVASTATING RACIAL DIVIDE IN DEVASTATING RACIAL DIVIDE IN WHO’S INCARCERATED. WHO’S INCARCERATED. YOU HAVE 1 IN 87 WHITE MEN ARE YOU HAVE 1 IN 87 WHITE MEN ARE INCARCERATED INCARCERATED INCARCERATED, 1 IN 36 HISS PANIC INCARCERATED, 1 IN 36 HISS PANIC MEN INCARCERATED AND 1 IN 12 MEN INCARCERATED AND 1 IN 12 BLACK MEN ARE INCARCERATED. BLACK MEN ARE INCARCERATED. I WANTED TO ASK YOU, WHAT CAN WE I WANTED TO ASK YOU, WHAT CAN WE DO IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE DO IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WENT YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT — WHO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT — WHO ARE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING ARE GOING THROUGH SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT YOU’RE GOING SIMILAR THAT YOU’RE GOING THROUGH. THROUGH. WHEN YOU SEE THEM OUT IN WHEN YOU SEE THEM OUT IN BALTIMORE, YOU SEE YOUNG FOLKS, BALTIMORE, YOU SEE YOUNG FOLKS, WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM? WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM?>>THE FIRST THING I TRY TO DO>>THE FIRST THING I TRY TO DO IS OPERATE AND LEAD AS A IS OPERATE AND LEAD AS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE. POSITIVE EXAMPLE. BUT SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO IS BUT SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO IS VOTE. VOTE. PAY ATTENTION TO LEGISLATION PAY ATTENTION TO LEGISLATION THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PASS. THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PASS. CALL YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES. CALL YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES. OR JUST FIND SOMEONE IN YOUR OR JUST FIND SOMEONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND PAY SOME EXTRA COMMUNITY AND PAY SOME EXTRA TIME AND HELP AND MENTOR THEM TIME AND HELP AND MENTOR THEM AND SHOWING THEM THERE’S A AND SHOWING THEM THERE’S A BETTER WAY TO LIFE, TO LIVE. BETTER WAY TO LIFE, TO LIVE.>>THERE ISN’T JUST THEORETICAL>>THERE ISN’T JUST THEORETICAL FOR YOU. FOR YOU. YOU’RE LIVING IT. YOU’RE LIVING IT. TELL ME ABOUT THE BAR CLAY TELL ME ABOUT THE BAR CLAY INVESTMENT CORPORATION YOU INVESTMENT CORPORATION YOU STARTED. STARTED.>>I STARTED A CONSTRUCTION>>I STARTED A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OUT OF FRUSTRATION. COMPANY OUT OF FRUSTRATION. MANY PEOPLE WHO MADE MISTAKES 20 MANY PEOPLE WHO MADE MISTAKES 20 YEARS AGO, EMPLOYERS WOULDN’T YEARS AGO, EMPLOYERS WOULDN’T HIRE THEM. HIRE THEM. SO I DECIDED TO START THIS SO I DECIDED TO START THIS CONTRACTING COMPANY AND GIVE MEN CONTRACTING COMPANY AND GIVE MEN AND WOMEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO AND WOMEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK. WORK.>>GOOD FOR YOU.>>GOOD FOR YOU. AND GOOD FOR YOU WRITING THIS AND GOOD FOR YOU WRITING THIS BOOK, IT’S CALLED “THE MASTER BOOK, IT’S CALLED “THE MASTER PLAN”. PLAN”. CHRIS WILSON, THANK YOU FOR CHRIS WILSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. BEING HERE.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.>>>COMING UP ON “MORNING JOE”>>>COMING UP ON “MORNING JOE” WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE WINNERS AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT THE WINNERS AND THE LOSERS AFTER AMAZON DECIDES THE LOSERS AFTER AMAZON DECIDES TO DO AWAY WITH A HEADQUARTER IN TO DO AWAY WITH A HEADQUARTER IN NEW YORK CITY. NEW YORK CITY.>>>AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SET TO

14 thoughts on “‘Master Plan’ Author On How He Leads By Example | Morning Joe | MSNBC

  1. Sadly, that's not an uncommon story but at least he was allowed to redeem himself. Apparently, stand your ground did not apply to his situation? I'm just glad society is finally starting to recognize the lack of justice in our criminal justice system. The deck is stacked and there's very little accountability for rogue prosecutors and crooked policeman.

  2. The top Democrats, some Republicans and some border citizens oppose the wall because they benefit from the drug cartels.

  3. He's absolutely correct- until we work on the state level, I don't see this as seriously taking on this epidemic. Our failed prison system is a true national emergency.

  4. Justice is rarely just. As a citizen of the USA, I am grateful that Mr. Wilson is amoung us, teaching through actions. Thank you, Chris…

  5. all of you (i assume youre older than eight) have the skills and the experience and the character it takes to lead.
    and none of you have the courage.

  6. What a wealth of human potential we have locked up behind bars.
    Look at what can become of just ONE person, when given some direction and a chance.

  7. The prison reform bill that was passed at the end of last year is one of the few examples of congress doing its job. It's a miracle! 🙄🙄

  8. REMEMBER this reform is on the Federal level. Check your STATES prison legislation, what reforms are being considered.

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