JP Tate discusses his novels in early 2018.

hello YouTube it's you and Jones 9 here today with the author James Tate James has written a series of books about the subjects of feminism multiculturalism and one book on atheism as well his work is divided into two categories he has his non-fiction books and also his fiction books as well so let's take a look at some of the books that he's written his non-fiction work includes feminism is sexism his most recent one progressing towards the edge of a cliff understanding multiculturalism and also are all God's worshippers much a little book on sanity he's the author of the Warriors of the iron blades trilogy he's also the author of the identity wars the macabre dance I'm the most hated man so James how's it going not bad okay I'm ready for you good stuff excellent so today we're going to be concentrating on your fiction books so what was it that persuaded you to start writing fiction regarding these subjects there's quite a long answer to that so I'm have to test your patience here if you'll give me a pill yeah because as you say I also write nonfiction but it seems to me that that's not where most people get their ideas from so I mean I can write a book like feminism is sexism it lays out what's wrong with feminism why feminism is the opposite of what it pretends to be but how many people will want to read that kind of book out there in the mainstream you and I are the kind of people who might read that book but the mass of people aren't right and you think like where do most people get their ideas from and it's not from books which have set-piece arguments they'd consider that to be a textbook lab they don't read that they want to read something that's entertaining right if they read at all they want to read something that's got a nice little story there and some characters right and if you look at why we can't get our ideas across one of the reasons is that most people most of the time believe whatever they hear most often they hear what's in the culture around them and that culture around them is for many people entertainment right so I mean if you if you consider the difference between something that is true and very obviously true and what people believe you can you can see how far removed they are from the kind of set-piece arguments that we we might put in a youtube video or something like that right take three facts three unconscious facts that everybody would agree on right fact number one women have wombs men don't fact number two women have an reliable oral perceptive the contraceptive pill and men don't fact number three women have abortion rights and men don't now those three things on anybody would agree with right those old on contentious facts but what follows from those three facts is something that most people don't seem to be aware of right if if women have got the reproductive rights and men don't then don't have reproductive rights worse worth a damn you can basically say men don't have reproductive rights so women have all the reproductive rights it means that any young couple are in the position where women totally control men's fertility women decide whether men become fathers or not so based on those three facts right that if if a young couple are together and she gets pregnant right she decides if he if he really wants that child that's his child in that womb if the child is born he'll be legally responsible for it so it's his as much as it's hurt right if she decides to kill his child to terminate the pregnancy he hasn't no say it she can do it without his consent right it's it's just down to her it's the woman's right to choose my body my choice right on the other hand if he wants that if he doesn't want the child she can decide to take the pregnancy to full term have the baby and then he's the legal father of that child with the legal responsibilities for that child without his consent so she can kill his child without his consent or she can make him a father without his consent whether he does or does not become a father he's the entirely her decision he has no say he has no rights his consent is not required so men are in a position where they don't decide whether they're going to be Father's or not a woman will decide whether this man is or is not a father that's the reality and you know out there in the world everybody knows this reality this is if you know if you it could be you and your girlfriend and you're in that position you know it to be true and yet people don't view it that way they view it the way they've been told to see it you know feminism tells them what to think and they think it so back in the 80s I think it was Margaret Atwood wrote a book called The Handmaid's Tale and this book was the exact opposite of what is true the polar opposite of reality in this book men controlled women fertility it was all down to men whether women gave birth or not and women were used as baby-making machines it was a science fiction fantasy that this novel by Margaret Atwood was the opposite of reality it was a complete fantasy and yet that's the view that many people have they think it's all a wicked conspiracy that men are trying to control women's fertility when in reality it's women who control men's fertility that book was given a big push by feminists right they turn that into a best-seller it became a movie with Natasha Richardson and Robert Duvall also called The Handmaid's Tale and now it's a television series and the television series has just won a Golden Globe Award for the best series of the year right they're pushing it they're pushing their ideas and they push their ideas in entertainment and that's that's the smart move right there you can see why they do that take another example you might look a YouTube video by an MRA Karen strong somebody like that and and they'll make the MRA will make a really strong case that it's an evidence base case it's based on statistics they rationally argue they show that domestic violence is not a male crime and it's clear from all the evidence that domestic violence is not a male crime it's it's something that people do to people yeah so when into it two men men do it two women then do it two men within do it two women adults do it two children even children do it two adults if some fourteen-year-old hits his mother right it's a crime committed by people against people and if you look at the statistics the relationship that's most likely to have domestic violence is a lesbian relationship they actually the highest right lesbians commit more domestic violence than any other type of relationship so there's no way in the world that anyone could in reality see this as a male crime and yet that's exactly how people do see it ask yourself why and the answer is obvious it's because they they look at EastEnders and in EastEnders there's a storyline where a female character is being beaten up by her boyfriend and they watch Coronation Street in in Coronation Street one of the female characters is suffering domestic violence from her husband and in Brookside as well and in their favorite American cop show there's a storyline where a woman is suffering domestic violence from a man in fact in every cop show that America ever made there's a woman suffering domestic violence in the land yeah yeah in Hollywood movies there's women suffering domestic violence from a man right and that's where people get their ideas from all right they don't get it from rational arguments they don't get it from evidence they don't get it from documentaries most people most of the time believe whatever they hear most often and the feminist message is everywhere it's on the radio in the movies it's on the televisions in the books that's how people come to their their ideas and their so the ideas they've got and they're they just take for granted a world away from what's actually true in the in reality women control men's fertility in reality domestic violence is a crime committed by anybody against anybody it's not a male crime so if we're going to combat that if we're gonna like somehow try to get our views our ideas our arguments across we can't just do it in with a straightforward argument we've got to say well how do people get their ideas a lot of people get their ideas from entertainment so that's why I write fiction as well right I mean I don't know whether any of my books will actually make it to the mainstream but somebody's got to do this I've been waiting for this for years I remember back in what would it be 93 I was doing my MA dissertation and I was doing okay you can tell how long it had been long ago it was because I was doing a dissertation that was anti-feminist and they he gave me the degree that wouldn't happen that it right so so I'm doing this anti-feminist dissertation with EMA and at that time two books came out one was David Thomas is not guilty and the other was Neil England's no more sex war I feel great the fight Becker started here we go right and then for the next fifteen years nothing because I wasn't aware of Warren Farrell I mean they may have known him in America but we hadn't heard of him in Britain so like for fifteen years there's nothing and not only was there nothing in in the form of like nonfiction books there's nothing in the form of novels and that's really bad because he's part of the novelist job to challenge the establishment you know the feminist establishment the multi-culti establishment the what is now called identity politics write it novelists are supposed to challenge the political establishment and in my lifetime novelists have completely failed to do their job they've just gone along with the orthodoxy they've gone along with the establishment line books have been feminist multi-culti books and I kind of got fed up waiting for someone else to write these novels I thought I'll write myself right I can't do much else but I can at least write so okay I'll write them myself so that's why I started writing not just a nonfiction but the fiction as well and we need to push that we need to get our ideas into the mainstream and the only way to do that I think is is through fiction so that's like your most recent fiction book the macabre dance yeah I really enjoyed this one it was a very tight narrative between there were four protagonists in it charity of the the lady whose house the story is set up and just say she's a portrait of a feminist she also when you're introduced to her you are introduced to it kind of because I don't think it's a caricature I think it's what feminists are actually like it's just that there's some extreme but if you if you describe a feminist the way they really are it the cross is a bit of a catch sure but it's not that's how they are right so so yes she represents feminism in the thinner story there was a Bob Drake as well the guy who's been made homeless not his wife divorced him and he then lost his job and access to his boy as well yeah he's kind of rock bottom yeah for the story his role in the story is to represent reality whereas like she's constantly putting out an ideological position and he's constantly countering with the real world because that's where he lives he's just an ordinary guy who lives in the real world so you've got you've got the contrast between ideology and reality between those two also the other two partners Philip : Dale I've described it as an emasculated and owner of an art gallery in the most fashionable part of is it London I assumed well I mentioned Fenchurch Street at one point so I suppose that makes it London in the okay I don't I don't normally get too specific about the cities that is always in because I like the idea that it could be any city yes so if you live in Manchester it could be Manchester yeah but I died you mentioned venture streets and finally his girlfriend Laura a choke 54 year old from Botswana who creates vaginal art yeah I'm not sure if you need to say anything more about okay well yeah the reason and there's two reasons for those to be like that anything with the secondary couple is because the the main part of the book between charity and Bob it's a bit like the old movie Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf with Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor where they spend the entire movie arguing they're kind of trapped in a room and they're arguing right it's like that only with added feminism or added anti feminism and I wanted a bit of like relief to you know soften it as it were so the other two are kind of this slightly comedy characters I'll make serious points with them but I have really there I have a bit of fun with them and hopefully the reader will have a bit of fun with them as well so they'll have been getting some some hard ideas from from the discussion but then they also get a bit of comedy relief in the book sure yes I guess with lollies and descriptions of the work she does yes also the way she treats him sure I mean because one of the things that will clearly come across in the book I think is the sheer hypocrisy of multi-culti and feminists like they they are guilty of everything they pretend to be against and they're the people who are most guilty of it so actually spends the whole book being racist against him and her constant racist tirade against him is about how racist she thinks he is so and he's blind to around racism even though it's really explicit you know so yeah and in that way I get a bit of multi-culti the chaton into your heads because most of the book is kind of anti-feminist but there's also a bit venting multi-culti in there as well yes oh you see that's as a kind of recurring theme that you go back to is I suppose the the destruction of British society by these two movements primarily feminism multiculturalism Western society as well by the same token and again doesn't let speak really badly of the novelists of the last 14 years because I mean we're living in a time when we've got a demographic revolution across the whole of Western Europe right it's a huge historical event London is no longer in English city Birmingham is no longer in English city less there is no longer in English City no but they what they call the white British are now a minority in those cities right this is hugely historic what's happening here you've had 1400 years of English history it's coming to an end London's no longer in which trap and what are the what are the novel is talking about there you know examining their navels right then you've got middle-class novelists making writing novels about middle-class women middle-class concerns and yet what's going on in the world is enormous its immense and that's what writers should be writing about so to me it seems perfectly natural that that should be the focus of all my writing because that's that's the great events of the day it's like living in the middle of a war and writing stories that have nothing to do with the poor yes sure if all this is going on shouldn't you be writing books about it and novelists have completely failed to do so hopefully this isn't getting too far into spoiler territory I just want to talk about the basic premise of the book which is that I refuse to answer if you get two bones okay sure okay I want people to read the book so Bob is he's living homeless and because his wife divorced him he had to make alimony payments he was unable to do this and he lost access to his son subsequently also he lost his house and then his job from there yeah and so he's at rock bottom he steals a car and he eventually finds his way to a small village follow on the mall where he steals into this lady charity of Bebe's house and the story is her coming back home one night the confrontation between those so yeah and then the confrontation between those who are the other two yeah we're also driving it what the format is essentially a thriller format so you've got an isolated country house it's in the middle of the night it's a huge rainstorm right she comes home and she finds a man in her home right and so that's the kind of thriller format right but from that point it gets political yes yeah also object to the word ladies there are no ladies there are only women yeah yeah for these two in particular probably this lady was one of my rules there are only women yeah so we'll just refer to them as whereas women no yes yes so I found it yeah really powerful really tightly driven narrative and it was this um you know through these four characters it was this kind of smashing together of all of the major problems that we're seeing now in Western society and it's very explosive but in microcosm because they were all in this little College right yeah so I mean at one point I said something like the diversity inside the cottage was more tumultuous than the the the rainstorm outside you know because you can see how it all crashes together a nothing fit because I mean one of the one of the laughable things is that in my lifetime everyone's assumed that feminism and multiculturalism go together and they don't you know feminism lays down universal laws so you know if a woman says that the feminist says that women should be treated in a certain way they don't mean in this culture they mean everywhere you know if they're against FGM they're against FGM everywhere all right whereas multiculturalism is a culturally relativist ideology where it says well you can't judge this judge of this culture by the standards of that culture and everybody's got their separate cultures where their separate belief systems and so on right so how do these two things go together they don't once culturally relativist and the other one lays down the universal laws and you see the conflict there when with with when Islam rears its head because feminism can't deal with Islam right feminism wants to lay down rules but at the same time it wants to be a they want to be multi counties to be culturally relativists right so they end up where you know like effectively defending Muslim rapists across Western Europe on the grounds that you know anybody who talks about the increase in rape across Western Europe due to migration is therefore a racist so you've got feminists rapists vitamin I'm reminded of Lily Allen's recent comments on Twitter I'm not sure if you saw these words I did but I don't remember them she said this some of the girls who were raped up in robbed forum while surfing what am i sighs anyway yeah yeah yeah and I mean that shows you the difficulties that feminists get into trying to Wed these two incompatible ideologies and at some point they're gonna have to decide are they feminists or are they multi counties because they won't be able to be both the two things conflict and that'll be a laugh for you and me yeah when we watch them having to Jews are they gonna choose feminism or are they gonna choose multiculturalism I mean my my take on multiculturalism generally is that it's an ideology a culture has immediately before its death it looks that way isn't it yeah I mean it really does look like the Western cultures have kind of got cultural exhaustion as it were and they just want to lay down and die I mean it's a it's a tragedy to start gradually but they don't seem to be anything anyone can do to stop it it's just happening right in front of our faces yes I mean I think Western society isn't gonna die with a bang and it isn't gonna die with a whimper it's gonna die with an apology so sorry for being white that's gonna be the death of Western culture which is you know pathetic and yet who can do anything about it all I can do is write books so I loved in the book some of the yeah just descriptions of or just the mindset really on that say charity of II but not so the other even more ridiculous largely managed over yeah yeah I mean she's a wild character yeah but but the thing is they're right to be satirized to be parodied and and you don't have to do much to satirize them all we've really got to do is present them as they are in the world and that they're kind of a self parity feminists and multi-culti is right you know which is why you know mum nobody should have been doing this years ago yes it sir seems as though a lots of people you know are kind let's hold that it's sexist or racist if they do this and live in fear don't they I mean bility will great this is a kind of psychological terrorism where you know everybody's so frightened of being called a name that they don't dare speak their mind and I mean it if you think we're talking about the death of culture see I mean all the ethnic cultures of Western Europe English culture German culture Dutch culture Danish culture they're all dying from this from this combination because I think like feminism on its own will radically undermine any society and multiculturalism on its own can destroy a society because you instead of having a culture you have multiple cultures and that's socially divisive but we've had both of them together we've had them simultaneously and I don't think any culture any society can survive that you know feminist multiculturalism is unsustainable as a society so Anna you know this with all this going on I know it's at some point at some point you've either got to have the courage to speak out or you've got to say well I'm prepared to just let my culture die alright and you know if people give in because they're frightened of being called a name if they're all they're gonna say bad things about them they're gonna call me a misogynist and a rape apologist and a racist and a xenophobe right if if you can't face up to that then maybe your culture deserves to die because you're so cowardly right you're so absolutely abject in the past people have you know fought and died to protect their cultures people have to hold the whole history of like say a culture like the English like generations and generations of people struggling working hard working their guts out to provide for their families trade union movements or the chart ISM all those on that effort you know the Luddites and everybody all through history people that the fight and fight and fight for the culture and we've now got to the point where people say oh I can't fight for the culture because someone will call me a nasty name you know if that's how pathetic people would become if they're that week that cowardly then how come the culture survived yeah I hear this argument a lot by a lot of keyboard warriors you know and various other people who say supports the goals of uncie feminism or some of the aunty multiculturalism but they they say well you know I don't really want to put my name to anything because if I was to do that then I could be fired yeah and I mean my response to that is yeah but you do realize that by not saying anything you are also making the decision with regards to how your life is going to come out yeah yes so you know you yeah there's there's a consequences and not saying everything in this house people made sacrifices right one of the sacrifices people might have to make today is their job you know and you know if you care about if it matters then you make the sacrifices if you want your culture to survive you know because I think that you know there won't be any English culture by the end of this century and probably long before the end of this century you know because no one will fight for it no one will stand up for it no one will speak out for it you know so you know if you're not prepared to make a sacrifice because other earlier generations did you know 19 year-old boys died on the song you know other people have made sacrifices they've come back from war with no legs right and you're you may have to risk your job okay that's a sacrifice that's a risk you have to take people will call you nasty names people will slander you they will reduce you okay you've got to put up with it and fight all right no I mean that makes me sound rather bombastic when all I'm doing after all is writing books so big deal right on the other end you know if if nobody does this then like I say it won't die with a bang or with a whimper if you die with an apology yeah and in order in order to fight you've got to get into mainstream society and that's why you know I think entertainment is crucial yes so no absolutely I agree when this sounds I'm not sure if you feel this but personally I feel that since I've started actually speaking out about these issues that you mean spiritually you do feel like a more full kind of embodied person you know as though you actually have a belief sets you know you actually have a culture that you're willing to defend and so yes it's kind of and that kind of makes you I'd say more of a person yeah um one of my books as you said was called Oh God worship as a mad a little book of sanity so you wouldn't expect me to go along with the word spiritual right but one of the things that the character of Bob in macabre dance one of things that happens to him and he's like the crucial thing is that he discovers his own freedom yes but he doesn't discover his freedom in physical terms because you know he's got no money he's got no home right he discovers his freedom in his head right he becomes intellectually free so that all those lies all that hypocrisy that the rest of the world believes it doesn't affect him anymore and that's kind of his version of mgtow as he were he's going his own way blues going his own way in his head so like they can't touch him right so whatever they do to him they can't touch him and they keep on trying to persuade but that I mean what you were saying about feeling a more a person a fuller person more complete person well in Bob's case he becomes a free person though he's spent his entire life trying to please other people and he finally gets to the point where he's simply free doesn't need their permission and he doesn't seek their approval and that's and that's something that is I think what my version of what you would call spiritual yeah yes no godson it's very powerful I think that um I think it's um it's just this amazing reaction against a tyrannical governments and the hideous narratives they create under the guise of feminism and multiculturalism which all just seems to target white men and to take this group and say yeah throughout history that pretty much everything that was bad was done by them yeah and you know it's just like colossal and yeah and horrifying the the amount of abuse they passed on to this one yeah I mean one of the things that I try to do with my books is to say how that happened I think we get to this crazy place you know because Society has always had its problems obviously right but but you know we've got this infantile society now of people in charge seem childish in the decisions that they make they're making decisions based on emotion they're ignoring the facts right you know how did we get to this crazy place and I think the beginning point of all of this at least the the crucial beginning point you could trace it back further I'm sure but the thing that matters for me is that when multiculturalism multiculturalism and feminism started they started with the idea that they were the people who were opposed to prejudice and this is why they always claim the moral high ground although you know but they're really immoral people they're racist against white people they're sexist against men their whole argument now as you say is just a tirade of racist sexist hatred for white men and yet they still think that they occupy the high moral ground and the reason is they started from a position of saying well we're opposed to prejudice and they made the crass mistake of thinking that therefore anyone who disagrees with them must be in favor of prejudice now obviously that's not the case you can have all sorts of reasons for being opposed to feminism and multiculturalism and anything else you can be opposed to any ideology and without necessarily being prejudiced but because they saw themselves as the people who opposed prejudice they took it for granted that anyone who disagreed with them was in favor of prejudice and that's why they've been engaged in the politics of name-calling for 50 years you're racist you're sexist your exam ofoh is they always attribute prejudice to anyone who disagrees with them and that's that gives them a mindset that leads directly to totalitarianism at least totalitarianism in their head right because if everybody else's argument is based on prejudice or motivated by prejudice then like everybody else's argument is invalid because prejudice invalidates an argument right so they've got this idea that their argument is the only one their worldview is the only one that's valid that's legitimate everybody else has an invalid opinion because everybody who disagrees with them is just prejudiced yeah so you end up with the position where they they oppose freedom of speech why do they oppose freedom of speech because everybody else is just hate speech everybody else is just a bigot but they've ended up in a position where only their view is the legitimate view to be expressed and it came from that initial mistake they made of assuming that everyone else is a bigot and they've now ended up in the position where only their view can be articulated because anything else is hate speech and that's why this authoritarianism speech I've seen a pretty good description of the left-wing now in 2018 precisely under yeah except I wouldn't pull them the left-wing anymore I think left-wing politics died in the 80s yeah because left-wing politics is basically about supporting the working-class I mean if you if you want left and right as political terms they refer to class terms right left is working-class a right is ruling capitalist class yes yeah and in in the 80s they kind of abandoned the working class indeed betrayed the working class in order to take up the new oppressed groups women ethnic minorities anybody who's any color other than white right and and because they once they done that they turned on the working class because their working class was for the white men and white women white men were now the enemy right I mean I lived through this right so I'm old enough to remember it right that you know in the in the 70s as a white working-class man I was part of the oppressed I was the exploited I was victimized by society right and then they abandoned class politics take up gender and ethnic politics and suddenly I'm the oppressor because I'm a white man I'm part of patriarchal oppression right so like working-class white men went from being the oppressed to the oppressor without changing their position at all their lifestyle was exactly the same their living standards was exactly the same nothing had changed in their lives only the ideology had changed whereas they had been under like left-wing class politics the oppressed now under identity politics they would be oppressor yes and it was almost overnight it happened during the eighties so I think that what people who claim to be left-wing now are not left-wing at all they're the fake left they pretend to be left but they're not really left there is no left and right anymore left-wing right-wing politics that's redundant yeah that's archaic there's out-of-date and now I suppose you have the new nationalist movements which that seems to actually be a good representation of or you know a mirror of say left-wing politics in the past in that they are representative of you know the indigenous population of certain countries and you know in favor of employment but in favor of working-class people what what's going to happen now is like the whole 20th century vocabulary of politics is going to have to change because the 21st century is completely different to the 20th right so once once like left wing and right wing are gone you then need a kind of a new focus for who's going to rally around what political totems yeah and of course we it's been forced upon us we don't have a choice it's been forced upon us by identity politics right so so now the people who are the victims of identity politics those white guys you're talking about right they're going to look but okay what's my ident then what's my flag that I'm gonna hold up and what's my ideology that's going to defend me so of course you get the rise of white nationalism that that's simply a response and you could say it's a necessary response to those in power who going to totally have this like really really authoritarian and prejudiced view of white men and apparently think that white men will never ever defend themselves that white men will just like lay down and die right and some will no doubt but others won't so yeah I think like 21st century politics is going to be completely different from 20th century and it needs a new vocabulary we need a new political vocabulary because you can't describe what's happening now in 2018 in terms that are appropriate to 1970 yes that's that's interesting it's that ties in quite nicely to your book the identity wars where you focus on the future of the UK Aldous the blurb from the book so the identity wars is a new type of dystopian novel based on the actual society we live in today it portrays a dystopian future which arises directly out of politics and policies of contemporary society it focuses on the impacts caused to Western societies by financial meltdown multiculturalism and feminism it is the story of three men on their 40th birthdays the grandfather of Eldridge 40 in 1975 the father Michael Eldridge 40 in 2005 on the son Kyle Eldridge aka ritzy it was 40 in 2035 so focusing on this text thing was okay yeah yeah that's right so focus in on this text yeah it was a I found it a fascinating in book because we did help this image of British society as it was in 1975 and what the left-wing actually meant but then you know it wasn't a humble tea cultural promotes in radical feminist promotes in movements instead it was grounded yeah within the struggle of the working class to to become more empowered in their society and so it just goes from there and we see the you know yeah 1975 2005 and then 2035 so what what was it you were trying to convey through this visitor there's a lot in there novel it's probably the best book I've written so far it's certainly a unique book I don't get any one's ever done anything like it what I wanted to do cuz I'm ready in 2015 right and I wanted to examine the politics of 2015 but not from the position of 2015 right so in order to understand where you are you need to do two things you need to see how you got there and you need to see where you're going right and if you can consider how you got to here and where you're headed for it gives you a better understanding of where you are right so that gave me the idea okay I'll do dystopian fiction and I'll from the future right but it's completely different to normal dystopian fiction novels most of which kind of you know there comes some kind of Mad Max future where people are living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland and they having to fight off zombies and all this kind of stuff right nothing like that always been pretty different from that and it simply says well okay if things carry on as they are with feminism and multiculturalism with identity politics where will we be in 20 years so as I say I wrote in 2015 so the main part of the novel is set in 2035 so it's not not vastly into the future just 20 years down the road people who are reading the novel will still be alive in 2035 right so I think it has a Midtown protag there's a lot of characters in it but the main characters are meek tail protagonist who I think is the first MIG tail protagonist in any novel as far as I'm aware anyway and and he so he's a vision of an idea of masculinity in the society that he lives in right but I also wanted to get there by looking at the the grandfather and the father because they had completely different concepts of masculinity and they live in completely different cultures so the grandfather 1975 is the traditional family man and that's the concept of masculinity my traditional family man living in a culture that sees masculinity in those terms his son is then 40 in 2005 so he's the male feminist slave he's completely abject and you know surrendered himself to feminist ideology right and that's his concept of masculinity in the culture that he lives in in 2005 and then RIT see his son is living in the the multi-culti collapsing future in 2035 so he's got a different idea of masculinity which is Midtown and that's a masculine at concept of masculinity that fits his culture at that time he lives in and yet it's only three generations so from grandfather to grandson three generations you've got three different concepts of masculinity in three completely different cultures so that's part of what's going on in there the other thing I wanted to do really am it was to at the time that I was writing that in the previous years there'd been a lot of talk about imminent collapse of capitalism especially if you go on YouTube a lot right you will have seen them in 2012 they were saying camel is about to collapse global financial meltdown then in 2013 they said in 2014 they said into it they kept saying it at any time now global financial collapse right and of course capitalism does have a major collapse from time to time there's lots of little collapses recessions and so on but every now and again once century or so you get a Wall Street Crash you got a really serious crash of capitalism and we're kind of due for one right so I thought well I've set this 20 years in the future so let's say at some point during that 20 years and I'm not predicting things right now just at some point during that 20 years there was a serious crash of capitalism it would affect society much more now than in 29 in 1929 right the reason being in 1920 dark 9 you had a unified country I mean you know France was French England was English Germany was German American even was America even was American right they had a kind of you had a unity right in England you could you could say things like we're all in this together we're all tighten our belts we're all batten down the hatches and get through it right you know and you can do that if your national community you can do that if you've got one ethnic culture if you're a monoculture all right even with the class divisions it was still possible for everyone to say well you know everybody's in they're in bad shape here we've all got to get through this together that's not the case in a plural society in a society of multiple cultures if you have a crash of capitalism in feminists multicultural society what you've got it is a group of different cultures each of whom have their own interests each community will look after itself all right whence when resources get scarce the whole idea of like we're all in this together doesn't doesn't work because there is no national community there's only community as plural so everybody starts looking out for their own community and you end up with internally sign conflict it's each culture against all the other cultures everybody withdraws into their own culture and looks out for them for their own people and to hell with everyone else yes so so in in in the book you've got all these different territories and this territory belongs to one culture in that territory belongs to another culture right so it's about like if at some point in the next 20 years there is global financial meltdown if there's another Great Depression a craft capitalism right what will happen to the kind of society that we've got now and it will be so different from a hundred years ago so that's the basic format of the book and I'm gonna write novels of ideas for me the ideas are the most important thing right and so you know it's nice to have a story it's nice to have characters but it's the ideas that matter most and it's about what and what will happen to a feminized multicultural society when capitalism crashes so that's the identity wars yeah there's fascination to explain it it's it's a kracken book and some really interesting yeah I'd say it's interesting you know focus over time on this process of multiculturalism and feminism and then you know just the steady downward spiral that we see it within the society yeah caused by that so in 1975 there's I mean that the protagonist then I'll foul bridge he just talks about you know some of the initial up up springs of feminism and multiculturalism by 2005 it's fully in very power in the system it's because it's not the son who is the one who stands up to all of the women no as his colleague you know be able to call it Gary I think it's right yeah yeah but but then there's there's fascinating I suppose change really because yeah you see that the feminist bully hold power at that point since I yeah and men can just be destroyed by an by the sister and now then in 2035 you see the system has just destroyed itself the the emergence of I guess a new country really at that point or well step 4 it really is it's no longer a country in that exact I think nation states will will decline and you'll get more regional governments because I mean if you look at a place like England you know in the Midlands it's very heavily Asian right but in Cornwall and Devon it's still more or less entirely English right so you'll get different areas of the country with very different cultures in them and then you'll also get places like London which have what I called in the book total diversification which means there is no dominant culture it's just social in coherence you've got all this diversity and there's nothing to hold it together no social cohesion at all so it seems to me that no you can't really call that country and you certainly can't called it a nation you note for a nation to mean anything everyone's got to have a national identity they've got to be one people and in the future that you know or in fact even in the present it's no longer the case that we're a nation we're no longer one people we're now multiple people's peoples with an S on the end you know and that's just gonna get worse and that's why it's unsustainable it'll tear itself to pieces so I mean I think something like identity wars will happen even without a crash of capitalism but if you if you had that that would accelerate it greatly yeah it's a powerful statement what you will make in and in the book there's one bit where you see the it say a middle-class lady who was sort of been you know puts in their heads so digging her head in the Sun for a long period of time and you know the reality is it's kind of come surging in at that point when the rising finally reaches her middle class yeah exactly yes I know if you noticed but that's Diana Bates who's the arch feminist in the 2005 chapter no so then you see her in 2005 but then you get a little glimpse of her in it towards the end of the book and when you know when she's reaping watching sewed yes this is the harvest of her own ideology I found that's a very powerful statement because I see so much truth in Nance you know regarding I guess he are lots of people who say supports the establishment and support multiculturalism and feminism is you know just stick in their head in their sons I'm just ignoring the the greater reality around ignoring truth ignoring logic I just go in with the mantra and this you know this crazy belief they seem to have that things are going to pan out for them if they do lots and I mean it's really important and valued truth and this culture especially the the prevailing culture has thrown away truth right so I mean in everything I write I'm trying to tell the truth because truth is a statement that describes reality in reality is where you live right so you have to cling on to truth you have to value truth but what they've done now in with post-modernism is they've decided that they don't believe in truth there's no objective reality there's just narratives and what happens when you do that is that you get competing narratives and there's there's no way that these narratives can be resolved peacefully because to do that you need truth you need to be able to say oh yeah but the actual reality is this and we can see that this is true alright once you've thrown truth away you've just got this narrative and that narrative and this other narrative and it becomes pure power politics which narrative will dominate the other narratives and that's why it's bliss and society is so polarized now because you've just got competing narratives who can never agree on anything as they couldn't agree in macabre dance right you've got the four people that can't agree on anything right you've got competing narratives that that simply have to fight it out for who's going to be in charge and the trouble is you can do that but you can only do that for so so long and reality will catch up with you right at some point reality will bite you on the ass yes you've been deluding yourself all this time believing a completely bogus narrative right and thinking that you're winning because your narrative is defeating the other person's narrative and you think you're winning until reality comes along and that's the identity warzone 2035 that got to live in reality they've got no choice anymore they can't deceive themselves anymore so you've still got a few feminists in power but if they've already seen office though they've really lost their power because reality has taken over yes yeah yeah um they have no power left because due to I guess the forces of the global crash their financial crush and the failure of these narratives to work again a tangible Society yeah I think the you know in their society is just crumbled and they have no power even though they have these musicians if people are wondering where their next meal is coming from and how they're going to feed their children they're not going to be worried about Nance planing and manspreading right these pampered princesses of feminists who think that the whole world is about like creating a secure environment for them to live in they want complete freedom but they want freedom without risk right they want freedom but total security right and they're they know all the feminist concerns now a laughably childish right absolutely the infantile right and no one's gonna have any patience for some pampered princess as a feminist when they're worried about how they're going to feed their children you know when when resources are scarce you can't avoid facing up to reality right which is which is why I think feminism is totally dependent upon capitalism it's really ironic because most feminists seem to think they're anti capitalists right but if capitalism does crash feminism lasts about two weeks right this this once resources get scarce no one's gonna be paying attention to feminists anymore right then feminism will last for as long as capitalism doesn't crash but if it does then feminism is out the window yeah I completely agree with this you know I think it's it's entirely reliant really on the having a massive state in place having a very powerful statement in place and yet it seems as though it's a it's just movement by which the governments can increase the size of governments by creating this problem that's never really there marriage made in hell in that like people who are in government one government to get bigger if you're a civil servant especially if you're a senior civil servant you want more power and more employees you want everything to get bigger and feminism is an ideology that needs big government so of course right the government will embrace feminism because it's a marriage made in Ali they serve one another's interests the stake ins of feminism and feminism conserve the state although no feminist will admit that of course no absolutely yes disturbing kind of getting back to this point about truth in the the identity war some yeah for me it resonated because it was a it was a utopian story that did actually seem to reflect where the world was going as opposed to like say the walking dead yeah which is the zombie apocalypse story I mean we've had enough zombie movies and that zombie book certainly like zombies right I mean the subtitle of identity wars is utopia is dystopia alright and and what they're saying is this is the dystopian future that's coming for you and the reason you're going to be living in this dystopian future is that people pursued utopian ideologies and another of my little rules is that utopian thinking produces dystopian societies right utopians think that they're building a better world and they never do look as Stalinism look at maths Nazism look at Maoism look at feminism look at multiculturalism it's all utopian thinking they're all about like cast out the old and bring in the new it's all going to be year one right and you end up with Pol Pot killing fields or whatever right and it's it's simply like something to be avoided do not engage in utopian thinking because it leads to dystopian consequences absolutely I thought there was some similarities with 1984 in in terms of the vision of the future that was crumbling you know very much the societal system that was was falling apart yeah the infrastructure as well was I was crumbling and there was someone in Australia role in that and Amazon review that described the book as the new 1984 and of course I was really pleased because you can't get higher praise than that right 1984 there's no higher praise than being compared to there right but what it is is it's not it's the politically it's not like 1984 because we're not living in 1948 you know all Welles writing a book for his time so he's writing a book about Stalinism yeah and the threat of that and I'm doing exactly that but for our time I'm writing in 2015 so I'm writing about what's happening now yeah but the the kind of motivation for the books would be the same it's to try to understand through a fictional story through a novel the situation we're in and just how perilous it is yeah I think that's that's definitely a very good point is that you know a lot of people go along with these narratives that are fed to them by the mainstream media and the education system and every other arm of government yeah these narratives are dangerous yeah you know that like wetware say the equal pay narrative leads to is in my opinion a very dark place and what it leads to in terms of form in the parts of the workplace generally I mean it was very it's not a nice things after toxic feminism has been poisoning gender relations for half a century and yet they're still finding new ways to make it worse so now we've got hashtag me too right I mean like if feminism was the death of romance right if one of the things I put in feminism is sexism it's a comparison of old romantic comedies and contemporary romantic comedies which are neither comedic nor romantic right so in in the past you would have romantic comedies where there was a kind of give-and-take between the male and female lead and they would score points off one another and it would be a screwball comedy and and there was a kind of equality between the two – the male and female leads that doesn't happen now in modern rom-coms the man is just this inadequate he's deficient he's his feminism's view of what men are like and that the women don't respect the office how could happen a feminist woman respect someone that they think is guilty of all the crimes for the world he sees this guilt object he's a universal scapegoat he's this shameful inferior thing so that kind of killed off romance you can't have romance between a gilt object and a person you know if the woman is a person and the man is a gilt object how can they get romantically involved so you get you get films like the break-up where fabulous wonderful Jennifer Aniston is for some reason known to nobody in a relationship with gross slob Vince Vaughn and it's supposed to be a rom-com but it's actually a like a nasty petty little movie about their breakup and that's feminism's idea of romance is the death of ray yeah well and with affirmative action where you've got to us or at least the man has got to ask permission for every little thing he does right you know may I touch your knees it alright if I touch your thigh may undo your button so that's the death of errata sysm right how can how can you maintain any kind of erotic feeling if if one person's got to keep asking permission all the time right so not only is feminism of the death of romance feminism is the death of errata sysm and now we've mean two men will be frightened to flirt because anything you say could be taken the wrong way and and it might come back at you 20 years from now 20 years from now someone will tell you well twenty years ago you said this to me and I want reparations yeah I know so so you've got now you've got like men who if they're in a woman and if they're in a room at work with a woman they want to leave the door open they want witnesses right in case somebody accuses them of something right so like now feminism is the death of flirtation also think it's gonna provoke men who run companies in so thinking well gee do I want to hire any women well it made them I mean they could fall foul of the law yeah start doing their right so I mean they're caught either way they've either got to employ women and take a chance or not employee women in full found with the law but but I think this is why you're just starting to get anti-feminist women coming through right and I'm not talking about the you know the the serious-minded MP feminists like Karen's strong I mean just ordinary women who are starting to just get a bit second thoughts about families and making feminism wasn't quite the unvarnished golden wonderful thing that they thought it was right and the reason for that is that toxic feminism has poisoned gender relations to such an extent that you now can't have railings can't have your autism you can't even their flirtation and you've got mgtow men walking away from women shunning women and the women are beginning to notice right and what are they going its place their job right so you know I mean maybe they love their career but most people don't have careers most people just have jobs it's a sure you doom to earn money to earn a living you know so okay you've sacrificed romance kuratas ism and flirtation in order to earn a living doing your own job and i think some that's starting to get a few women thinking oh maybe we should rethink this maybe this is not as good for women as we thought it was right but of course it's too late now you can't go back men have had 50 years of slander insults and abuse men are sick to death a feminism right because it's just unrelenting they never stop right and you know if you if someone spits in your face every day for 50 years you don't forgive them easily right women have betrayed men in the Western world with 50 years of spitting in men's faces right so even if women were to decide now that perhaps they're not feminists after all I think it's too late right you can't undo the damage that's been done in those 50 years I mean think of little boys in schools they're being raised by feminists schoolteachers telling them that they're gonna grow up to be wife beaters and rapists right telling these little boy specially a little white boys right everything is there for that the groups they belong to were the bad groups the son what kind of psychological damage is that done acid yeah two generations of little boys what kind of psychological scars of a scurrying as a result of what feminism has done in the school room in the last 15 years you don't recover from that right so even if women do change their mind our things too late too late you know the amount of damage that's been done to men things that men are not going to forgive women and they're not going to trust women alleys of it personally I do find it very helpful when women do become uncie feminists when they do turn against it because I I guess you know they're I suppose feminism has said made the claim that you don't sisterhood there so you know what the sisterhood is just part of feminism and it's it's in feminism's clutches and so when these women turn against feminism they are you know they say they're turning against the system there's a sort of yeah it's bend this quite helpful for for the movement and I mean generally I I just think it's a good thing that people are turning against the narrative so they're given to them by you at the mainstream media and feminism now in the mainstream media I'm not sure if you've watched BBC recently I no longer watch television okay over the years I was less and less television in the end I got to the point where I took the Arial out of the back of the set I don't want to use it anymore it's worse than ever now yeah it's it's like once every 20 seconds there'll be some comments there about feminism ten seconds late another pro radical feminist comment yeah just a constant bombardment yeah of this crap basically and so it was far worse now than it was say four years ago 120 times worse than it was at the you know in 2019 and then you know that that was worse than it was back in the nineties you know I mean III agree with you in terms of like having anti-feminist women is a really good thing yeah in terms of making the argument indeed this is an essential thing in terms of making the argument but what I'm saying is that it's that's not going to cure anything even if you know the BBC suddenly stopped being feminists tomorrow right it's not like you can just say okay then women and men are friends again right after 50 years of this and like you're saying it's a constant bombardment all the time right you know that's that's that's now deeply embedded in people and it's affects their character right so the the breakdown of gender relations is gonna go on and possibly get a lot worse as I present in identity wars right even if you were to stop feminism now and of course there's absolutely no indication that feminism is not going to just get worse right because they're the establishment they've got access to all those leavers of power right they've they can control what people think because they make the movies that make the television programs you know so if everything really is is kind of about well it there's some of us who understand what's going on right and we try to say so and everybody ignores us and then there's the mainstream which is just sliding down a hill to hell right and that's why I'm very pessimistic about future right that's why I wrote a dystopian story right because I don't see no one's gonna come and save you there's no political figure no Trump figure or anything like that who's gonna walk onto the political stage and make it all right again right there is no Savior look out for yourself it's gonna get worse just looking at you all you're a perfection the most hated man also warriors of and I sorry of the iron blades yeah so yeah if you could take me through these books briefly and what we're trying to guess with with the most hated man it was it was kind of like a testament of the last 50 years because I've lived through from second wave feminism onwards and from the beginning of multiculturalism onwards I was born at the beginning in the 60s and I mean you you could date maybe second wave feminism from free dance feminine mystique it's the thing at 64 or you know Germaine Greer Female Eunuch that's 70 and the multiculturalism you might date from a Roy Jenkins speech you know I think it was 1967 right so like being born it seems to get a lot worse after 1997 yeah yeah but in terms of like the progress like progressive politics right the step one was kind of in the middle of the 60s and I was born of doing in the 60s so I've lived through the whole thing right and the most hated man was was an attempt to try to describe that in a way but not in an autobiographical way so because I thought how can I make people interested in this book and I thought well I'll make it a kind of serial killer book a cops and serial killer that's not really what it's about at all but it kind of it's in their format it's got that kind of serial killer thriller format and in that you've got one guy who is kind of like commenting on what feminism and multiculturalism was done and what what his motivation is that they never listen right their political establishment they never listen for 15 years they've been refusing to live listen because remember they think they're against prejudice and anyone who disagrees with them is just a bigot everyone who disagrees them is in favor of prejudice so they never listen because they don't wanna listen to bigots right so we you know I've lived my life in a society in which the political class absolutely refused to listen to anybody else no matter much worse everything gets they just go on refusing to listen so there's a character in the book where Heath he abducts members of the political class it chains him in a chair and he talks to him right and he just tells them the truth about themselves he tells them what they've done right and that's all he's trying to do is he's kind of trying to give them one last chance to hear him one last chance to listen and none of them do so he's one of the nobody doesn't let them talk they're their gang he's doing all the talking right because they've done all the talking for 30 years this is his chance to do the talking right so so in that sense it's very anti-feminist very anti multiculturalist because he's making the arguments this guy right but I've also got another guy who's who's he's also a kind of serial killer character although neither of them are really and and he's commenting on society in the different ways commenting on youth culture right but and what you've got is as he were that format which allows me to explore those ideas and that's what I need in a novel I need a I need a format there is something that people recognize so you know thrillers serial killers as a recognizable format or dystopian fiction dystopian future that's a recognizable format I'll take an existing format but then I'll use it as a vehicle for the kind of ideas that I put in my non-fiction books so I mean you should get the same ideas the same arguments from both it's just that one is a straightforward argument nonfiction and the other like I said before it you know if you want a spoonful of sugar to help the pill go down by writing it in in form of a story with characters that's the spoonful of sugar that helps the red pills go down right you you get the ideas across to get the arguments across but in the form of the story to make it more accessible so that's what I was doing with most hated men yes I just I find that elements fascinating that no one else really does this you know when in terms of nonfiction Reisen because it has to be quite measured when you're doing nonfiction writing you know you have to back up your claim yes you can't just have a you know crazy rants about the topic but with with fiction you can and I think it is very powerful in that way because you can fight by allowing characters to do that even hints after a deeper underlying truth that is much harder to get to in a way with nonfiction really work with that one it's you know it's just presenting the facts and yeah I suppose a more measured take on them and then letting the audience or the reader fill in the gap yeah I mean if I'm writing nonfiction then obviously I'm citing sources I'm referencing things I'm giving examples and I like as far as possible to give examples from mainstream society so that anyone who lives in mainstream society can recognize what I'm talking about yeah whereas course you don't have to do that with with novels you can just say whatever you want right yes but they like I say with the same ideas and arguments that are in your novels are also in the nonfiction so I'm kind of covered you know I've gotten references I've gotten the evidence I've got me out examples and which allows me then to just go to town with the novels and and just take those ideas and run with them sure so I was hoping to ask you what your rights in now well now it's going yeah because it actually takes us onto their worries to be on our blade say no because that's what I'm going on to next write what I'm doing they'll do something very different with those because the the rest of my fiction is very overtly political fiction it deals with the ideas it deals with the arguments it attacks them head-on right and I thought well yeah what about the people who find that all a bit overwhelming you know a lot of ideas in this book there's a lot of arguments in this book right I want to read something that's just a nice story which is what most people read fiction for and they want to just read a nice story right so I thought okay let's try to write something where the politics is implicit not explicit right let's write something allegorical where you can read the story and not even notice any of the politics or you can read the story and see all the politics that's in there but it's as a some text right allegorical that's definite so that's what the Warriors the LM read books are it's straightforward in one sense it's straightforward epic fantasy right so you know sword and sorcery stories Game of Thrones kind of stories right but within that you have commentary on what so like a country there's a comfortable gaff car which is the country and run by feminazis it's just that within the story there are a religious theocracy of female worship is right you know so I could I could say lots of things about what what a society run by feminine sees is like but I put it within the sword & Sworcery format yeah and I've got with with the second novel especially but also a little bit with the first you've got opposition to multiculturalism but in the book they called the dynein good whelk and they're the ruling class and their policy is to include everyone right so there's you clue right if you're reading the book you might just think that they're fighting against the garni anger well right but if you realize that their policy to include everyone is inclusivity right then you understand that they're the multiculturalists the vol.1 kind of sets the scene so in that in that one you find out about what the world is like that the stories take place in right with volume to what you what it's really about is the kind of ethnic struggle and it relates to ethnic nationalism a bit so anyone who's into ethnic nationalism might find that interesting yeah and then in volume three I introduced Islamic imperialism but in a heavily disguised way right because of course this is set in a in a world of warriors with swords so you you can't just like import contemporary politics you have to present it in a way that makes sense with the narrative like sense as a story but it actually relates to what's going on in the world today right so that's a different kind of thing where the politics is not explicit it's not in your face but it's there if you're intelligent enough to see it I think if you can read between the lines there and the book I'm thinking of doing next will be volume four so volume four would just take the existing story on further okay excellent no that's this absolutely fantastic and I wish you luck with your future writes in I've enjoyed yeah quite a few of your books oh no I haven't read all of them that the one psychic twelve of them for there's quite a lot I've been speaking today to James Tate JP Tate as he's known on his books you can find his books at Amazon I'll put a link in the description I'll also put a link to his website thank you James excellent discussion thank you very much food I enjoyed it thank you see you later

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