Fiction First: Writing a Stunning Debut Novel



you at my gold jewelry over in the of payment to the organizers for titling the session the way they have writing a stunning debut novel thank you so much I'm just coming out here to look at you in the face and say I have done readings all across the country at times that was supposed to be good for people right like 7:00 in the evening 8:00 in the evening my launch was at 8:00 in the evening so that people would come and I have never had such a big audience and I am totally in love with Jenna okay I'm going to introduce Neil on generai and then she is going to introduce me this is a new development so to lunch a nut oil down a bit sorry could we have the lights on stage can we put all the lights on I want to see the audience because some very nice-looking people no thank you Nealon Jenna Roy turned up in my life way back when I was writing my first book which was called surviving women yeah yeah it was that kind of book that you write because I are wind Krishna Mehra who's here in the audience once said to me very beautifully that if you've read enough books at some point you want to have your name on the spine of a book and when penguin wrote to me and said would you write surviving women I thought I'm going to lose all the friends I have because all my friends were women they were all going to abandon me and I was going but I would have my name on that spine of the book finally but then Neal on Jenna Roy appeared to interview me for the business standard and I made a friend because of surviving women so and ever since then in the background of my head there is a safe place in Delhi where if an NGO who invites you to Delhi does not turn up with a car does not have a booking for you you can ring up Neil on general and turn up at her house I've done that myself okay so having said all this that's Neil on generai I am Jerry Pinto all you need to know about me is that I wrote this book and I hope you will buy it Jay is being modest here because uh what he's not adding is that the first time I met you Gerry decided that the only way to do the interview was to feed me tradition the tank food he maintains at Britannia as for Barry Palau and then they did a round of the city and for the first time I started to see Bombay as a city of books through his eyes and one of the things that I have liked about Gerry's various avatars you know as a poet as a biographer and then finally as a fiction writer when we've been waiting for many years for this book to come out is that there are some writers who go off into a room and shut the door and that's where the writing begins and they're writing self is completely separate from who they are but with Gerry what happens is that his writing comes out of his heart a nun comes out of his work you know everything that he does as a teacher everything that he does as a poet a columnist a journalist or if that just goes into it I don't think you've ever done anything half-heartedly that hasn't happened to me before on stage I'm so surprised you're so huggable Jerry I am formidable people are terrified of me in journalistic circles as it should be no no that's only because I used to be a book reviewer so the limited and very tiny amount of power that we wielded in that form and I'm the author of what turned out to be surprisingly not the three-volume novel about three generations of Bengali women that everyone was expecting it's a book about cats called the Wilding there's a difference it has three generations of rolling tough warriors who eat Tomcats for battle it the best sense of the word I think you know it was looking at me Ranjana walking past and I thought I'm safe on that stage because whatever else will happen nil on genna's presence will mean that this is an evening of dignity and of high intellectual caliber with the odd hug droning you have it's a hug from time to time okay um okay I'm going to come out there again not because I'm doing this but because I can't see have you seen me on a youtube reading from my novel no no shout loudly men ha yeah that's why I thought I'd read a little from the novel and then you could have a question answer session and please feel free to be the audience you have been all day which is quirky irreverent and matte and completely magnificent okay em in the big whom M is a woman Roman Catholic middle-aged woman who has a mental problem or she's manic-depressive the big whom is a husband who tries to hold everything together the Naruto of the story is a young man trying to understand his mother and his his family and they're difficult situation and there's a sister his sister Susan who has a quiet presence I hope in the novel it's very difficult to talk about your own work and so much better on other people's um here we go this chapter is called the prayer of prayers of mentals M's manic states were often ugly but it is how I remember her as a rough rude roistering woman in this state she came at us as an equal but it was the other M who was my night terror as if it were a wild animal with flecks of foam at its mouth I feared her depression I found it hard to reconcile the way that word felt to the state my mother was in when she was dragged down into the subterranean depths of her mind depression sounded like something easy a slight hole in the ground into which you might slip and from which you would scramble a little red faced at the exhaustion but not unharmed ms depressions were not like that imagine you are walking in a pleasant meadow with someone you love your mother it's warm and there's just enough of a breeze Julio you can smell earth and cut grass and something of a herb garden lunch is a happy memory in your stomach and a three-course dinner awaits you somewhere of all the best foods you can think of the light is golden with a touch of blue as if the sky were leaking suddenly your mother steps into a patch of quicksand the world continues to be a idolic and inviting but your mother is being sucked into the center of the world she makes it worse by smiling gravely by telling you to go on to leave her there the man with the broken leg on the Arctic expedition who says come back for me it's my best chance because he knows that aloud saying that allows everyone to leave him there to die some part of you walks on and some part of you is frozen there watching the spectacle you want to stay but you must go the imperium of the world's timetable will not allow you to break step and fall out your mother is now curled up fetal ball moaning in pain breathing only because her body forces her to for two or three days we will all live with the knowledge that one of us is gulping for air kill me she says on days when the pain is so bad that she is standing with it small barely audible sobs let me die I don't know how to respond I want to kill her I even know how I will do it first some very strong drugs of which there is a readily available supply then when she is sleeping a breath stertorous a pillow I run it as a thought experiment in my head killing my mother pushing the pillow down on her face a nun it has thought experiment I have done for my father what will I do when my father dies but I also know that I will not do this I wonder if she knows this too and this is the reason why she asks I will not do this because I know she is coming up now this is the worst of it and it can only be a couple of days more before she begins to surface there will be days when the big home will hold on to her hand and slowly slowly she will begin to return to us between each phase of the cycle we've about shift a period of normal time this could last for a few days or a few weeks Susan reminds me when it ever lasts a few weeks I ask the dawn of lit the Sun she says little Sun is the brand name for lithium carbonate which was a drug given to bipolar people it is also a drug that has adverse effects if it accumulates in your body it can damage your bloodstream it can damage your kidneys kill damaged your bones and so M would be taken in the book every every month for a lithium test and now that she was on lithium she was outgoing happy but still mental she's at the beach candy Hospital in this scene and there is a young man who is waiting for another test what are you waiting for she once asked a morose young man who was coming through a thin file I want to go to NDA auntie so why aren't you going she asks they are saying I have albumin in my urine is that like egg white I don't know any but they are not allowing how do you prayed am asked this seemed a bit unnecessary because he was well anointed with sandalwood paste and turmeric and there were few grains of rice still stuck on his forehead yes auntie I promised to write the name of God one lakh times if I get into NDA what is this NDA I am asked the young man got startled aunty you don't know National Defence Academy Oh M was not sure that she approved but she rallied I will pray to Duke I will pray that you get to do what is right for you Oh what about you Andy why are you here oh I had a nervous breakdown and tried I began to hiss a little at such promiscuous revelation don't mind my son he's shy I tried to kill myself No so I have to take pills and they have to examine my blood you are mental aunty i bristled but my mother didn't seem to mind yes yes I'm mental oh good because my Bujji says God listens to the prayers of mentals because they are touched by his hand how nice you hear that Baba I was touched by the hand of God and so I have a hotline to him or something according to this young man some one or the other I will pray for you right now only aunty the young man hesitated he seemed to be assessing us then he took the plunge aunty don't mind her but my aunty is but my Bochy is Muslim and I am Christian and you are Hindu so means aunty he is wondering who you will pray to I said she looked at me then at him I will pray to your bujji's God she said I'll pray to Allah did she I would have prayed to any god any God at all if I could have been handed a miracle a whole mother a complete family and with it the ability to turn and look away should we finish the readings first and then go into questions the Wildings is an incredibly complex novel it's actually you know Neil and Jenna was completely right it was it's when I first heard something in first proof by her about fiction there was this startling image of her often elderly are not an elderly lady but a senior lady of the family a senior lady of the family who came visiting with a set of matched luggage now and this indicated I think in that little short story which was so beautiful it indicated her intense sophistication and on her worldliness and I thought you know this is the kind of detailing that we've been missing in fiction we are so used to the rock the Corby tree standing for everything you know just those big gestures by which we is established the kind of novel that we are writing that we forget that very often what happens is the intense that we are actually linked to a story by something as intense in as small as that kind of observation the Wildings is the kind of novel that has a heap load of this sort of observation both about the activities of human beings and the activities of cats it's not a cat book it's a book about and you know people keep getting the lunch and also sometimes talks about it being a book about cats but I think it is all books about other animals are actually investigations of what it means to be human as refracted through the observation of another species so whether it's dark idiotic Mara the cat writing you know jelly again there was a point of time but when he was working on his novel stop it read your book just a second when we all thought that it was going to be a wide sweeping epic historical saga because at one point it had taken that form and when he finally came out with it and it turned out that he'd written about what was closest to his heart he'd written about love and families and loving broken bits of everybody that's how you have to write for me though I make one minor correction out here which is that the key for me to the Wildings turned one day when I was crossing a bridge there were cats on one side of the bridge there were pigs on the other side and I suddenly saw myself as just another primate you know so it's not so much it is the it is the inversion of what you're talking about in order to write about cats first you have to think yourself into the mind of another species and the feelings of another species and perhaps that brings you here home simply by reminding you that be human is to be an animal what I'd like to do is to read two very short sections one is not from the Wildings but it'll give you some sunday middly knew that i'm a great fan of twitter where you get to say things in 140 characters so they challenged me to write a cat story in 140 words and I did it's called nine lives my nine lives I had a house once and big feet of my own then they packed everything except me and they left there was a word for kittens who wandered outside the first time pray seven bird kills eight battles with rats two with puppies and I found a word that fit me better predator noir of a cat remembers the names of the boats we lived on the fish yes we taste the names in our mouths still in Sikkim I made babies with a monastery cat Sodom kittens with Buddha bellies the vet took one of my lives the time I crossed the road without looking but he gave me back to to his own will I thought and then one was squandered in a bandicoot brawl but it was worth it I have one life left three boys enough sometime in the middle of writing the Wildings and the next book there were actually two next books but I'm not going to talk about one of them except to say that the central character there is a butcher the sequel to the wildlings was named as it happened just day before yesterday and it's called the hundred names of darkness and perhaps that names so different from the wildlings came out of the fact that I was getting more and more interested in fish in other species in what their kinds of lives might be someone said to me once you've never written about the things that you seem to be so deeply connected with the lives of women motherhood and what you know a woman of a different species might feel and I said all right and I wrote something called the fish mother I'm going to read just a short section from it because it's quite a long piece but this is about a fish who lives in a river and who gets pregnant and the story of that pregnancy what hurt her most was knowing there would be no more journeys she bid farewell to the cold a blood streams of the mountains to the deep green silent waters of the river ship laden and swam in to the salt tenderness of the sea she had wanted one more journey to see what another River might be like but that was not possible for fish you were born into a pond you lived and died within it's clay banks you were born into a river its banks bracketed your life she had done her best she had swum its nent she knew it's tributaries and they sang their secrets into her blood as her daughter listened but there would be no other River only this one she made three attempts before she finally swam into the nets a blood scream to her each time to go left go right swim under the so shoal of fish heading stupidly into its mushy embrace and she had to ignore the urgent tug of her fins on her tail telling her to go the other way she curled her body around trying to protect her daughter from the press of fish bodies held in the nets that were being lifted out of the water but she felt the gold shudders they came into the air her mouth opened and closed her she gasped the mesh cutting to a server and read flesh laid out on the deck of the board she felt the fishermen come up to her his hands on her stomach his fingers touching her scales she trashed her tail feeding her daughter begin to press against a belly knowing that this was the time she had made a mistake this should have been done in the water among the weeds she could hear the lap of the waves and she listened greedily she had never heard the sound of the water while she lived in it her daughter kicked and screamed and the fish rolled her eyes in torment looking into the fisherman's face the touch of the wood on the block was rough on her skin and she felt her scales rip as he dragged her into position she felt the contractions of labour the daughter's panic and she understood the mother gasped for water the daughter gasped for air the fisherman raised her to the knife she shuddered as her belly was split in two but she saw her daughter raised out for blood rain trails and her guts as eyes filmed over and the blood stopped pumping through her gills she heard the man cry out and surprised her at her daughter's first cry as the baby entered this strange new world the water streamed off her daughter's thighs have hands not fins waved informed fists she would smell of the ocean she would smell of Silverland fish and the rivers would run in her bloodstream and every fisherman up and down the coastline would set his hooks with tempting bait hoping to get the girl someday but all her life the girl would dream of the time when she was a fish and the river sang blood lullabies to her when she was free to travel and claim it's tributaries we are moving to questions so feel free hello thank you I'm a journalist I'm curious to know how your journalism informs your fiction I think the only thing that the journalism reflected that shows up in the fiction really was my belief that the world is a very wide and very large place and that you must if you're alive be interested in all of it you know not just the bits that are easy to notice in my time as a journalist I covered the Internet I covered various things eventually I settled on things like gender and books but the other way that I think journalism made a difference for me whereas it taught me how to listen and that's probably a rare skill they're not taught it in school there's no class called listening you know carefully listening with respect and journalism taught me to shut up which I'm signally not doing right now something did oh I think you know that's way lovely thing and one of the things that in the social communications media course that I teach is active listening where you indicate not just by your by your manner but by not touching your mobile phone by not being distracted from the person whom you're talking to by indicating with your body with your face with your with abhinaya actually that that person's words are important by being silent so that the person comes in to fill this space these are very important things for a journalist and you also listen I think one of the problems I often have with books is that everybody sounds like the same person in the book you know not in Neil anjana's book not in very many very good books but this is because we don't actively listen as journalists we iron everyone's bully out so we make them all into this clear english-speaking person then actually they are saying different things in different and exciting ways and we are thought no no you know Brendon Martin English put that down so we convert them all into this one unilateral person who is has you know is visibly upset when they're crying if the crying can't be say they're crying why do we have to say visibly upset these are things that bothered me in journalism and you know but I'm very very glad that I did all the journalism I did because it brought me into contact with some really lovely people you know really nice writers really strange policemen really order gangsters and and attend friends whom I've made for life so after that you think sit back if you you have to kind of you know sort of an optimize your world and say this is what came out of this and this is what came out of that it's easy in retrospect it's easy to look back and say this happened because of that this happened because of that but it's all storytelling you tell the story that you think will suit the audience and right now it's the journalist who's asked me the question about journalism so I think a big a lot more careful but otherwise it was also a day job it also meant you had to go there and you have to sit down and write then all you wanted to do was sit at home and do a poem you know that's also what it was so you oh poor those who couldn't hear she said that some Toshi's was curious because sometimes journalism puts a damper on the imagination and obviously it took me a very long time to learn to get past that most of my 30s in fact because the idea that I had a right to tell my own stories when I was working so hard to try and tell other people's um I didn't have a voice for the longest time because I didn't have time I was working 1416 RDS sometimes at the business standard or at outlook and that leaves you know quiet time you know a lot of other people's voices or a lot of stories with species that swim in through your window they're going to come in not when you're busy and just saying I have another deadline to meet go away then go away they're very obedient that way you know they don't hire they'd only show up at that point when you know you should be working on something else and there's a sudden moment of quiet in the middle of the usual noisy clamor of jumperer laughing yoga Club has shut up Tara brass band hasn't started up yet and something will begin in that space in that silence if you don't if you I mean I think more than money what I needed in order to write and what I needed in order to let the imagination loose was really time I didn't have that until I was 37 no what was very experience in bringing out the aware first novel experience in the encounters I was very lucky if you're talking strictly about the publishing side of it my publishers found me an illustrator who walked into my head and pulled the illustrations for the Wildings out of it didn't just back the book they loved the book it was it was really like a fairy tale because that's not how Indian publishing works by enlarge your book is going to come out it would be one of the ten other books that the houses releasing in that time my editor also worked with me what I sent him was this huge manuscript that if it had actual shape would look like think the largest badly stuffed rucksack he can find you know and no seriously because heat and he said you've got two books in here possibly three he said with the a of a surgeon confronted with a bad liver and that's all right no need to panic we'll just cut it up and you work in this part of it you know and I think I'm lucky because editing is an old-fashioned skill it's a skill that's disappearing in terms of responses I think I was extraordinarily lucky people seem to like the book the only disappointment or there was disappointment I must talk about this this is at the daily book fair was signing a few copies of the wildlings on a mother said to her daughter see see I told you the author would come and sign it for you the daughter was I mean yeah when she said but she's written your name and everything and she said yeah I thought the author was going to be a cat mama I don't know if you're asking me the question is well so ditto you luncheon ah maybe you could talk a little bit more about the illustrations I really really love the illustrations to the Wildings and I'm wondering like how though back and forth with problem Ollie I went I'm just wondering how were the illustrations done like was there a lot of back and forth or okay I'm gonna ask for a favor does anyone have a copy of the book out here at this point in the woods could I could I borrow it from you because it became something of a Dougal Bundy you know I can only take half the credit for the book thank you so much uh this is some index of what proper was doing he's which I love because they reran publishing these are called end papers you know Jerry and I have the same publisher and his book is produced with just as much love and care but the experience of working with Prabha was extraordinary because she was commissioned for ten ministrations originally and that turned into about fifty or so that turned into illustrations that actually worked alongside the text and I to actually have to correct her beyond an anatomical point about one of the cats noses is something of the sort what happened was she would send me these pieces and send them to bina and we'd look at them and we just want more and it's very rare to have that sense of connection but I think all of it was revealed when Prabha and I finally talked we've never met by the way she lives in America so we've emailed and we Skype but we've never talked and the mystery of her powers was revealed to me she used to have a cat herself called Lola kitty you know so she understood where this was coming from she allowed the cats to be cats and I think what she picked up on is also that while it's a nova that definitely can and should be read by children and teenagers as well as adults it's got an edge of darkness to it it's not nice and pretty because unfortunately the world of street animals is not nice and pretty it's rich and it's juicy but it's not nice my question is are coming to debut novels it seems that a lot of Debbie novels are actually autobiographies or they turn out to be autobiographies in some way or the other it may be that all novels are autobiographies in some way but should we value the people who are create worlds rather than simply say borrow from their own life should we say they are more skilled writers I cannot go to bed until I have killed three mice this is true thank you I think I'll take that question think us at face value which is I'm going to look beyond the question and not see it as an insult yeah but should we value them more should we value them less how can you ask us each value is going to be what you do see you open a book and you go invent it with the writer you take what you need out of the book I only do half the work you do the other half if you think that a writer who invents something is actually working in a different space from the person who writes about his or her family then you'd think perhaps you need to rethink what imagination actually is okay I think you can't invent a color you have not seen you cannot imagine a world into existence that does not exist inside the synapses of your brain and that is your autobiography the nonfiction that you do that is your autobiography the single word with which you start a new poem that is your autobiography science fiction is your autobiography all writing is therefore your autobiography you choose to decide whether it is more or less autobiographical not I I know that every word I write that it's about Helen a Leland I do or M they all come from somewhere inside me and they are deeply implicated by who I am I I just had before we go to the next question I just had one thing to add to that which was for whatever reasons I've been looking at the ways in which we think of memory and Oliver Sacks who's a who's one of the best neurologists in the world has the study of memory particularly his own where he made up an incident where he thought he remembered the house being bombed during the Blitz it wasn't his memory it was his brother's memory and he's uses that as a starting point to look at how uncertain a thing memory is which means that even when you're looking at stuff that apparently happened to you that is true this is from your own life you're reshaping at every moment you're reshaping it in the telling you're shaping it in the memories that you choose to bring out in the conversations that you pay attention to and in a way everyone out here is a fiction writer you know it is that fiction that you've been writing on your lives doesn't have a printed page out there but everyone makes their own lives up that's where it comes from I have a question for the both of you right here in the front it's obviously wonderful to see that you have a great friendship between the two of y'all and that you've known each other's work but also in the different articulations in the way that you spoke earlier on the other panel in some of your work that I've read I haven't read Wildings yet it's sitting in the house but with Jerry's book and so forth there seems to be despite the background of being journalists that you have somehow made the quantum leap into a space of great grace which comes through in your writing is that as jerry said early through the sign apses of just grilling hard work that you got to this this or was that aha moment that happened before the band starts and in those quiet moments and I know it's kind of a strange question but how did you get to that zone from which I presume a lot of the inspiration for your work comes I don't know what to see that's that's wonderful I have to only say one thing if it's a question about grace she has to answer because I got none you know I'm just a sweaty boy I don't know I to answer it I think done weave with honesty is that you start in I mean all writing I think and I'm not trying to be fuzzy wuzzy and khalil gibran Isha I'm only saying this honestly all writing starts in alchemy it's like you know who knows why I am doing choosing to do this but I am choosing to do this and let's see where this goes and how it goes and what happens that's the lovely part that's when everything's exciting and fresh and you don't know whether it's going to be like you know this magnificent thing or it's going to be shaped or and you're working very hard iterated it then you know you realize that this is something it has to be done that chapters to be moved here this paragraph you're slogging on it it and then comes and craft requires you to fall out of love with your work to walk away from it and to take a cold critical look at it and say should I kill some trees that you should be born and once you if you keep saying that yourself if you keep apply looking vigorously at about I for every one word that I put out I kill about five hundred I'd write thousands of words and I abandon them they my monster children at some level I love them too but I can't possibly inflict them on anybody else so I keep those out of the out of the public space and only by being the most on parent you can be do you ever produce a child that someone else can love I do actually have an answer to that you know which takes up from what you said sorry just me just before your question which is that I wrote an awful lot of bad really bad stuff before I got writing anything that was remotely good and part of the reason one of the things that I learned about myself along the way was that I could not do a job for money I could not write for money and in the long run I mean I can write to order as a journalist because that's what we do but I had to learn the hard way about before you tell your stories with honesty whether it's a story about your life or whether it's a story about your cats lives or whatever creatures float through your mind you have to learn to choose honest work that was what it boil down to for me and I learned to also recognize that little prickle of unease that comes up when you're offered a sum of money that at that point of time represents something it represents the rent on the house the fact that you will not actually have to struggle for a meal or you will be able to afford a little bit of air conditioning in the daily summer and against that is the fact that you don't want to write it and every cell in your body is saying no no no no you can't do this so I had to learn to listen other than your own which novel would you consider a stunning debut next question for both of you what was the level of satisfaction you are having on publication of first novel and what you were satisfied in today I'm sorry could you remove that what satisfaction did you sense of satisfaction on the publication of the first novel under today do you feel something more happy you have sense of satisfaction on the publication of the first novel we got it your sense of satisfaction on the publication of a first novel oh you know sometimes when I am reading it there are moments when I think is nearly who wrote this sorry I do those are the men I like to the business you know I'm reading I think hey Nicaea sorry I horrid thing to say but sometimes I'm sorry I love it but I love my book you know I think everyone should love my book – thank you yeah but we are made to know you're supposed to say I just wrote it and oh god it's so terrible I love it I love my book yeah we're meant to be really cool about this you know we met do not care and the fact is that when I saw the final finished Wildings it didn't mean that much to me because I was already into book – you know I already had the world of the second book crowding into my head and I looked at that beautiful cover and I think it hit me some seven days later you know like oh my god that that baby is really out there and then I was terrified because people were actually going to read it no don't do that you know but I still remember the day that I finished writing the Wildings you know I remember writing that last line and I remember staring at the screen for a long long time before I actually wrote the end and I had to write the end it I had to bring it to a conclusion the book had taken two years to write but it had taken me something like 15 years to give myself permission to actually sit down right something that I loved writing not something that I was supposed to write was something that was approved thinner and that moment is incredible That moment when you realize not that you've done it in the sense of you've completed this task we ticked off your list but you've actually just finished working on something that you loved and that absorbed you and that moment when you realize that storytelling is what you want to do for the rest of your life that's beautiful we have time for just one last question right we're talking about you want my Simmons please since you're talking about that picks one first sorry Jessie you're a candle but novel right yeah yeah since we're talking about debut novels they've been a lot of young Indian writers who released books that like it was pointed out before our autobiographical but these books were also extremely badly written I mean the language was bad and further the editing wasn't good and these went on to kind of symbolize a new India writing which do you think it would be right if we say it stole the richness of the treasure from India from the kind of books that were coming you know the nation of the word is very large the power of literature is huge people talk about the death of the novel I say when you stop wanting to gossip that is when the novel will die because what is a novel except well told gossip the story of someone else's life as you think it might have happened so bring it on bring on the bad books bring on the good books bring on the Magnificent they Bou novels and choose and choose with joy choose to read what you want to read not what someone tells you you should read that book gonna pick it up say that put it down go find something you like George now let it go don't be moralistic and judgmental that books good books all out there remember many of the books that are canonical today was seen as bad books to begin with Shakespeare was castigated for having little Latin and less Greek John Donne was not read for two hundred years until TS Eliot resurrected him literary reputations come and go what will remain at the end of the day is you and that book in a moment of Cohen mention in a moment when you enter in pathetically into the life of someone else and it's a wrap thank you you

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  1. Your book reads very well and depicts depression in an incredibly descriptive and thought provoking way. Thank you for your reading it really enjoyed it.

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