Author Discussion Series: Mary Hood and Alfred Uhry – Georgia Writers Hall of Fame 2014



welcome to this discussion with Alfred Yuri and Mary hood this is part of the series of events the Georgia writers Hall of Fame is hosting over the next two days and really looking forward to today's discussion and these Georgia writer Hall of Fame events are also a part of the university spotlight on the arts festival which is going on for nine days so if you don't know about that I hope you'll check out what's scheduled and sample some of the events but I'm really happy to be here to get this discussion underway and really pleased that you're here you have with you information about Alfred Gary and Mary hood and you're going to be introduced to them formally tomorrow at the induction ceremony so I've said about them everything that I'm going to say other than I'm very glad they're here and I really extend to them my congratulations on their induction into the Georgia writers Hall of Fame tomorrow along with all the van burns so we're gonna get underway and I hope they'll you will have some questions to ask along the way feel free to do so and my first question for these two writers is to ask them to talk about what the term Georgia writer means to them and their work I'll get you later in cross-examination well what does it mean it to be Georgia is that Georgia of the state I brought my papers today in The Gazette or the Atlas that has all the back roads and the counties and the names of the rivers and the swamps and the creeks because it was a nice big thing and my folders weren't big enough to hold all the stuff I brought so I just brought that in there it's Georgia I thought what if you had a map and he just put on it what had been written and where it had been written about then what if you had a map of the world and Georgians it was about what Georgian center it have written about the world there I don't know what the term Georgia writer means in some ways to me it's it's a larger thing maybe than a map I was born here and as you know from my earlier remarks no great writers have been born in Georgia just babies and that's true about any writers in the world anywhere in Georgia it's good it seems like Georgia is a good place to become a writer as far as how I feel about my being a Georgia writer I like the idea of it since I'm from here it would be awkward if I had been voted in somewhere else but it's it's just good to be acknowledged as far as I mean I can't deny it is that sounding creepy and weird gee I wish I hadn't been first it's horrible okay I'll get better later let's just warm up a little here that's all I can say is I'm a Georgia and there was a time I thought why would that matter and now I can't imagine not it's not being a part of what I am because I have written about the state things have have interested me in the state in such ways that and the novel I'm writing about the one that just keeps getting mentioned and I'm slow it's about the flood which I you know I used to say the flood and everybody knew what I meant now it's the flood of 94 which was a tropical depression I don't think it was even a storm Alberto and up here in the Atlanta area north of Atlanta we had 23 inches of rain in 24 hours and all of that water just gathered and started rolling down overland and breaking farm pond dams down and the rivers filled and by the time it got to makin makin field South Georgia went under in ways that are incredible I have on my computer think what if you call that thing the places I go constantly to look and it's kind of strange because one of them is immortality for the flood I find out because I can find out interesting things about this flood I'm going to know an awful lot about the state of Georgia and the hydrology of Georgia before this is over with I can't say that I know that much about the hydrology of any other state and I can't imagine being interested which is a tragic thing to say I've been many places and I've actually been overseas I've been somebody asked me what said I've been in a foreign country lately and I said I had been to Miami but that didn't count so I don't know see I'm in Georgia and and I said I was born here and that's what kind of makes you a Georgian but as far as being a Georgia writer I think anyone can do it apparently if you stop here who knows right this moment what could be happening in some cheap motel you know or Mountain Lodge or on the back of a bus or somewhere and it could be somebody just passing through and he's going to blow us all away with their comments so I guess I'm glad they're not here so we'll see them later right that's I don't know what's the Jordan what's the Georgia writer to you is it a person everything you said well it's interesting I I do consider myself a Georgia writer I don't live in Georgia I was born here raised here but I wanted to be a playwright and at that time there was not much way to be a playwright in Atlanta although there would be now so I went to college and I went to New York and I've been in New York ever since but and I wanted to write musical theater then and I was particularly struck by Rodgers and Hammerstein and they wrote you know those exotic things about another South Pacific Siam and all those places yeah all that Oh naughty places like that and I I wanted to do the same kind of thing so it took me a while to realize that what I really wanted to write about was Georgia and seems to be where my writing heart lives in Georgia and when I when I really write something that's about me it's about Georgia and about so Dakota New York songwriter for me George is kind of a state of mind that's where I go when I have something to say about my own particular heritage which is I didn't know it at the time but a little unusual so that's me I think it's interesting that we have the two of you together today because too many people you might seem to be very different writers of playwright and versus a short story writer and I think there are significant differences but also some similarities and one question that I'm always interested in hearing writers talk about is exactly how they got started as writers Ben did the bug bite when did the urge occur that you made you aware that you wanted to write okay I'll do it this time I don't know I think it was always there I went to Highland school in Atlanta and I had a wonderful teacher name is Harrison and she encouraged me to write when I was in the fifth grade and I wrote and I just like I've made up things a lot so I would make up things and say it was homework and handed in and she was very encouraging to me and she worked on the Atlanta Journal and she encouraged us at her class to write a newspaper so I became of course the editor of the newspaper and wrote most of the stories and I had a sports editor and a society editor and a I don't know what I had I had a whole lot going on and I just always wanted to write I was also interested in other people in watching other people and I still AM and you know sitting in airports waiting to get on the plane and you watch it all the people like who are they and what are they with and who were they talking to why and I I was once in a plane I used to write for the movies and I used to fly first class a lot because that's what they do and I was on a plane on a very short hop and there was a middle-aged man sitting with a younger woman and it was a shop from like New York to Philadelphia was almost nothing and they had – orange juice with vodkas each before we got to Philadelphia and I thought and it was early in the morning and I thought okay let me try to figure this out and I I thought I decided if they were working together and they were nervous or they were running away to go I didn't know what it was but I like I like to watch people and wonder what's in their heads there the orange juice was because it was morning probably well I I think my early writing I don't know where it came from but I like stories I've always liked stories and when I was in the second grade I wrote in the third grade I started writing things like I had seen I'm sure Hopalong Cassidy and things like that that really you know stay with a girl Oh hopalong saying that comes under the heading of my business partner this was good this was irony and a dragnet I've always said that had some huge influence before I ever got to Hemingway on dialogue and those two cameras one fixed on this face one fixed on that face and then cut cut cut and this I didn't even know what the I you know what this was all about but I knew that grown-ups were doing important things and there was always this sort of sardonic undertow from Jack Webb's character he knew the worst but hope for the best but he knew better and that was there and though when I started writing my story my it was mr. story until I was done with it it was gonna take as long as it took and it was it turned out to be 40 or 50 notebook pages wagon train excuse me it seemed to go through Texas to get to Oregon so there was a lot of desert and terrible deaths by flash flood anything I'd ever heard of if there could have been death by flea bite that would have been in there they and they're the dying scenes were always enormous ly dramatic operatic and the siblings who'd been parted because of misdeeds they die beautifully and so it was like it was complete insanity but I was totally torn to just get away from school let's get home as soon as possible and keep writing these things so that the by the third grade I had finished it and I showed it to my teacher and she read it or started to read it and she said I'll never forget ridiculous and rolled it up just rolled it softly up and pushed it like slam dunk into the green metal garbage can and then she just looked at me and that was saying I know this means a lot to you and if you reach in for it or you sneak back later I will know and I've won and if you don't I've won because you've lost it and that was my first editorial experience I used a lot of tape I can't explain it it's my revenge if somebody editing me gets a package there's always a lot of tape my agent finally said kind of lay off on the duck take and the strapping tape which I just like three or four pages I don't know that could get in a taxi door this could I'm just anxious about stuff I'm anxious about it's getting there safely and making it back so early on I wanted to do this but I never knew it was a job I didn't know it was a job it was just so maybe there is something in there that you can't get over and it makes you keep doing it but I didn't know that because when I had the moment that I you know I left it I think walking away from something that you've done and given a lot of time to like that is you're letting your art down you know hidden if you're only a second grader or a third grader so I think that punishes me a little bit when I think back but I think I gotta remember that there was more notebook paper and soon found that how much faster of ballpoint pen worked on paper than a pencil and I was on my way and I guess maybe that means I was like you say that you were born to do it I hate that because it makes it sound like we have an inside track I think if you can't stop doing that it makes it harder the obsession I think I think I didn't have this voice inside of me like saying you have to do this you have to do this I just had to do it yeah I didn't I just did it no matter what I just knew that I was gonna do it and I didn't know where it was gonna take me or anything I just knew I mean when you see it sort of traumatized it comes out like he was determined he she was but it wasn't like that it was like it's just who you are it's just doing yeah well did you learn did you have more than one language as you were growing up no just you was a Latin teacher and I had dialects from my father he was a New Yorker Manhattan New Yorker and so he was great on dialects he had German Irish and then he had a Swedish step-grandfather and he could do dialects and he could do he knew some German and he knew Yiddish and he knew a lot of stuff and so I heard I knew things that way and with mom she was trying to teach us French as well and so but these were not naturally used in here I like to I like the rhythms of the way I was fascinated by black English when I was a child and when it came time to write Driving Miss Daisy I just was all there you got it I don't know if I could do it now but I could do with them Cadence's and I heard it and I I love the rhythms of it it was important to me to be able to do that I'm glad you did whatever the reason was we run away from you we've got to come back to you well I'm interested in in how you choose a topic you make a conscious choice is it an irrational choice and you decide to write a story or write a play you're an irrational choice oh well one just bubbles out oh that kind of irrational choice yes you do you sit down and say to yourself I'm gonna write a story today let's see what can I do and you you reason it out or do you suddenly walk down the sidewalk and get hit by an idea and you suddenly find yourself at a table writing a scene kind of yes do you ever get turned down by a misprinted word on a sign or something yeah yeah I don't know where where it's going I don't know about you but I never not work yeah sort of it's always happening I was doing Etsy looking at it's stuff like Pinterest but it's handmade and we're looking at all this stuff Etsy and there was a postcard and it was entitled souvenir virgin I've written that one down but I don't think that comes into any where I can work but anyway when I investigated it it said it was a postcard of Lords in France and it was it said you may have it I can't do it I've already figured out that's not about me I'll give you one when I when I went to college I went to brown yeah and we used to drive back and forth along the Merritt Parkway from from New York to Providence and there was a town called orange oh yes a road called grassy hills oh and there was a sign that said in my book characters in a book that's coming along they've brothers like in Carl and Albarn everybody who's aware of Carl at Auburn whose brothers that got mad and then they just divided up the town and so there's Carl and Oliver I'm just right to get close anyway you just told me something I didn't know oh well that's Carl and Auburn okay well my book has brothers that are fussing about this survey and one of them says has so he names his town that he has divided all dead level and because we're dealing with people who have had to sell right away for the interstate to go through it's an exit that they're fighting about and so he's first he's the right turn so he's dead level and the other one named his side of town best so it's dead level best it's the eggs they don't interstate so I mean there's stuff like that all over you just wonder you can either make it or you can just find it and put it in Georgia it's gonna fit somewhere when you said orange on my a lot of the hoods I'm related to lived in East Orange no East Orange New Jersey yeah there's a town called Takei Georgia you know I've that's in my novel about the river it's a great name in that I do you I do was so I'm interested in hearing you talk about problems that you have when you're writing and how you have managed to solve those problems something that causes you to grind to a halt that gives you great anguish how do you deal with it it's hard because my my writing is all dialogue mostly and sometimes they just stop talking so you can't make them talk so usually what's happened in my case is I've taken a wrong turn a couple of pages before and I drove them to a dead end and I have to go back and fix but it takes me I'm slow to and it takes me a long time to figure that out and most a lot of days I just wake up and I go oh I don't know eventually there it is you hear something and I guess I should be thinking well I'm gonna find it because I always do but I never quite believe that I'm gonna find it and I think okay this is a you know might as well quit now because I'm not gonna get this done and I think you have to be deluded enough to think this could be okay even if it what do you do in the meantime do you frantically go paint the porch rocker or mailboxes or do some Martha Stewart project on the driveway or so you you looking for dialog well I think I'm looking for Turner clay well that's any any excuse me I do for them gosh but when I come to something where it's just a bulk a complete bulk and shut down its take it usually takes me awhile to realize that I'm not needing to do those other things I am doing those other things to evade and I know it for sure if I do laundry or ironing I know there's something seriously wrong and so I die as myself finally well what is it you're afraid to tell and it's usually that I don't want to take the characters where they have to go I don't want to tell it and with my story finding the chain I had come to a place in the first novel where the shrimp boat that's being salvaged is being pulled like I was a another boat pulling it and it rolls over in the river and fills with water and one of the men is in the in the boat in the hole and he keeps hitting with a wrench as long as so they'll keep trying to find him he keeps hitting and his sister is on the dock and can hear it they're very close to where they could have been safe and they're not he isn't saved and I couldn't write that I absolutely could not write that and it causes the book to stop because her attitude prevented her husband from using once the ship was writing from renaming it and using it and he knew that was his dream was to have his own shrimp boat and so when I finally realized the whole summer passed and I hadn't written a word and I couldn't do it I just would go out in the yard I'd walk I got mild anything just get away and I thought here's what I can do and I and somebody bless whoever did it as a lady in st. Louis wrote me that summer and said then I just wish you'd write about snow you've never written about snow and I thought no haven't and it won't be in the novel about the beach so I took him on a holiday the man in the boat who died this was before all that happened and they went on a holiday and that was the story finding the chain and I was able to put them somewhere safe that's the first time I had done that and I've recently done it again with after a long bulk and I realized what was wrong and I thought then I can do this again and several times sometimes when I was just killing off dogs and my stories it was a little easier to get past these points but when it's people I just can't seem to bear it so I'll put them somewhere safe and then I can go on like well that's that's who that's who we are and now we go on with this I don't know why that is but it's not just Turner Classic Movies for me I'll find something on Roku and watch 47 episodes you know just one after the other of anything well I think a lot of it for me is to tell the truth whatever the truth really is in seven sometimes you get a little confused or think what it should be course you would like it to be or what would be nice or what would get a laugh and maybe that's not the truth and you have to really find a way to tell the truth which that makes it kind of exciting but that takes I'm still slow and I you know the older I get the slower I am and the quicker I am to throw things away and that's not a good deal when you finish something let's say you finished up a player you finished up short novel how do you sort of look at that were once you've separated yourself from it you're not writing it anymore it's do you find yourself being a severe judge or not judgemental at all what's your relationship to your work once you're done with it I'm gonna start answering yours I think you probably can't ever be done with it until you've seen heard it in rehearsal yeah you're not done with it with a play you're not done over at the musical until they kind of slap your hand so you got to stop now which is about five days before the first show so they can freeze it but when something's really done and it's been years since you've written it and it's not really yours anymore I tend to want to stay away from it because I get nervous if I'm sitting in an audience with my stuff going on and I I learned early on with with Driving Miss Daisy that it wouldn't be smart to go to see productions that I wasn't directly involved with and that I could say I really am flattered that you asked me but I don't go and that couldn't hurt anybody's feelings if it is true and it is the truth and I I don't know about you how do you feel about the stuff that's already in the books and I never read it again that read this I read the story I read today here yesterday to time it and I was unnerved because of just all the things that I thought could go wrong and just that it wasn't all that needed to be and it's too late to brush it up and too late too it was too late you're you suffered it but anyway I I think it's I can't even look I don't recognize the characters names it's been so long it's like I can't some of the stuff I can't know what's gonna happen to play 100 no that doesn't come down comes later and it's agony yeah it's agony it's odd because it it is you but you like it's it's sort of is easy to say it's like your grown-up children but it's not because you never really left or your children and you can't you can still work on that particularly once something is out there you don't want to be working on it anymore because she's like you know it's it's just done and it's just time to let it go should I tell that to my sons when they ask for money if you can we know I'm being interested in knowing what you all like to read okay you go oh me okay yes she likes to read I like to read and things I don't like to read I don't read except I do read the readers reports sometimes a response or a rent a manuscript and I always read every every word just like miss Nesbit said every word I agree I'd like I like to start I like to do have a lot of things reading at once I have a lot of things going on when I'm writing fiction I tend to read nonfiction yeah it's hard to read it's hard for me to really avidly read if I'm really working on something because when I got into heaven when I was a very young of just reading books is straight through as I could and I like to do that but you can't do that if you're working no but I I more and more now I like nonfiction I like these is a wonderful book I'm reading now that John Lahr wrote about Tennessee Williams and oh yes interesting to me and yes I like things I like what I like I don't know but I do like to read I always have all my life I like to learn things like that I don't think there'll ever be any need for me to know much about locomotives but I like to read about steam locomotives I like to read about anything in the natural world and dreams there that's a wonderful book by the Swedish poet who had a coma and he when he survived the coma he wrote his life he was considered in a persistent vegetative state and reversible coma and his wife would come every day to the hospital and tell him a joke every day and he was aware they said it nothing there was no the readouts were like flatlined he was flatlined and but she would come every day just that one thing she would do she would dress and come and sit with him and tell him the same joke every day and months and months passed and one day he laughed he was still in a coma but they said he isn't that wonderful and there's a story for you and then when he got back he got that he woke and he wrote this book about what he dreamed and what is what he had really had a vivid and an impressive in her life in fact he'd had a love affair with one of his nurses and he had written when he had these dreams where he saw it to the Future and he could see the world as it is in ways that we don't see with our enemy remember the wife had come in and told him job I hope so but he at the time that he was he knew that he was somewhere he felt that he was kept being kept in a cage he had the sense of himself as being caged so these it was all a poem I mean his his inner life was the most metaphoric wonderful poem everything that was about his being held back or the places he went in the dark there were times he was in the dark and he told it mean it's an amazing human Testament yeah I like to read Shakespeare alive the more older I got the more I like to read it but somebody that I wrote about him once said he was in in touch with his dreams and if you read the place as they develop plays like The Tempest yes he just lets go and he just a lot of it doesn't make any sense but it does it's incredible and I thought God how do you get there and just have the nerve to do that it's remarkable yeah reading it's a big I always tell kids that just to reread everything you can get your hands read reread other questions that any of you would like to ask these two people both ago that's pot do you have a favorite experiences teachers when I talk I was chosen by the teaching staff at Decatur High School in Atlanta to come and be their color person for Shakespeare and they were doing Romeo and Juliet and then they had team teaching and the library and other resources in the media and I came on Fridays and they worked a whole week various classrooms writing labs everything for Romeo and Juliet so I would come down I was teaching at Barry in Rome and I would come tearing down the interstate and get their walk in and there it was I mean I just had to start and it was a spring project there was six weeks or something like that in the spring and so my Fridays were completely there it was there that we just they were there like three or four sessions you know their classes were combined so when I went on Shakespeare's birthday I took and I took any huge pieces of paper they were good paper I had chosen crisp but good laid paper you know so I took in archival kind of paper and I explained to them what folio was and I explained to them about Shakespeare's folios and we folded and what they had done that they said the one piece and we stopped we didn't have to get into any smaller units but we had this large thing and it was Shakespeare's birthday and many of them were inattentive and some were over attentive and all of them were formally charged and the new version of Romeo and Juliet had come out and that very day a student a girl had stabbed her boyfriend at their apartment I mean she'd gone to his apartment and stabbed so now we had police in the corridors and this whole thing was this strange time and then we typically always had the separate units because we had a long session and we did different things this day the art part was to make Shakespeare a birthday card I tell them you know when he died and how many years it would be and so I had one student who had been he was allowed because it broke his heart not to get to be there but he was part of understanding and he had to be alpha campus but he was allowed to come to the class and the sessions and when he he gave his card and everybody had that well how do you draw what what about and I said anything you know we've been studying him and studying the didn't do anything so here's all these happy birthday here's his he's he's hostile confrontational oppositional e defiant and frightened and brilliant and scary and Omar look open almost card it says heavy happy waiver to this birthday Shakespeare I thought you were dead that's my favorite high for a while connect with an organization called young playwrights eat and they would be clever in doing I&C like was really my NK I thought that was stupid but I was still part of it and the deal was it was a national thing where you high school kids anybody under 18 could write a play and submit it and it was coming from New York and we would get 1,500 plays Wow and of course I then realized there's somebody to read all 1500 plays no one gonna be me so that's what you think but there were some very interesting ones one that's this is not the one but one was written by a 10 year old girl and it took place in a restaurant that had a brick wall and a hanging plant over the brick wall and it was a young man and a young woman and he was lying to her and the plant fell on his head let the best the best wood was a play written by a young man who had only been in this country for a year from Hong Kong and he's only been dealing with the English for a year and he wrote a two-character play about a man sitting in the park and the second character was a cigarette that the man was smoking and you've never seen a play before and that's what he wrote and I said I said it's wonderful I think the organization would like to put it on because we did about five plays a year and he went home and he came back and he said no my parents won't let me it won't let it be they don't want me to write and we never got to do it that's a sad story but that happened and I wonder where were used now he must be about 30 by now but isn't that a crate credible thing to write about what was the dialogue light from the cigarette well the band would say I I want to go over there and make a conversation with that girl and the cigarette would say you say you want to do that but you don't really want to do that you don't know what to say two words it wasn't the filter tip other questions crafts it's very good it gets it away sometime I think but when the inspiration comes and again when I feel like I'm telling the truth then it all comes together but then you can get stuck on what I ought to do and what with Mary Hood do now and oh come on don't start that's cheating I have one one little note and I and I just got this comes in right now okay in 1980 I got this on the internet in 1980 Emeric Pressburger said I don't know if he's a famous person he said one of the archers the one of the British directors right the team with Michael Powell and so he was okay so he said a script can only create nests in which magic may settle and I thought I would ask if if you felt that there had ever been a time magic has settled in your script that you had not built a nest there was someone else did it surprised you yeah a couple times happen to you yes fortunately yeah but you don't know when it's going to come and you can't ever count on it and it's luck and the sad thing is usually it pays usually it pays off and the other old saw that is sadly true is if you fall in love with the word construction murder your darlings tell yourself you're done because you're gonna go a long way and one thing that's good about writing theater stuff is if you get good actors that I've had a lot of good actors when a bad line comes out of a good actors mouth they don't know how to deal with it and they don't say they don't know how to deal with it they and I don't know whether it's just naughty of them or what but it just comes out like all of a sudden it sounds great and I've had a lot of actors which is good for a writer say why am I saying this what do I mean Angie damn I'll have to know which is good for you I mean that's good for me anyway well has that magic ever nested in one of your plays when you heard someone say something and you till then you hadn't or you hadn't got the nuance or sometimes that can help editing is what I'm thinking that would be to me that's magic anyway you get help because those work those areas that you could add in you that area now is the parking lot and Mary I started teaching and dynamic dekap county in 1967 okay I from Clark State came on but I was first in Georgia but I came over to God's country Athens and my last 28 years were at Hills my middle school teaching Georgia history so if you were to take a peek under beneath my heart you would find that my inspiration was of course teaching hormonal eighth graders now my question to the two of you if we could take a seat take a stab what of which of your characters are your stories is giving you comfort all these years and will continue to give you comfort for all eternity that it's meant to do that Miss Daisy was about my grandmother and her driver and he his his name well Morgan he did all right I don't think you need to worry about but the character that I wrote really wrote himself his name was will Coleman and he was a remarkable man he could sort of read sort of not but he was very wise and I still and he he was around from the time I was a little boy until I moved away from home and I often think about what will would say about certain kinds of things and problems and what to do he didn't give it by sea just he was just wise and I was glad that I was able to get that character out because I've worked with wonderful actors like Morgan and James Earl Jones that have played the part and and shared with them what it was like for that generation who couldn't read and who were disadvantaged but always wanted to do better Paul went to make the world better they weren't throwing bottles through windows or anything they weren't like that but they always tried to make everything better and I think that's remarkable I wish helps like that but I think about it a lot how would it be possible I haven't written this character down yet do it tonight I think I think it's a hand I love I love the people that inspire me and maybe the people in the in that this is good this is marketing Oh light bulb comes on okay in the novella that will be out I think in February scene Buster's it's about the women in the South who are still sewing and sewing plants there's still a few places and I found I had a friend whose granddaughter came back from Afghanistan and I can't explain what made this story begin but she we were talking about the new camouflage which is very different and has very unusual sewing ability you have to sew carefully and you can't use certain kinds of washing products on it because it takes away the protection against night-vision glasses and the pockets I'm sorry the patches are velcro down and there's all kinds of things that are done so you're in camp you have a different flag out in the field you have a flag that doesn't reflect off the stars and you don't have white stripes and there's a lot of stuff like that and these women were working and struggling with this new product and I just tell a story of how they live and deal with in community these working women and their and the men I think it would be all of those people but there were moments when I was writing it that I learned to trust them so much more than myself you know just have to sit back and watch and everything they did make me proud we've got time for one more I like the movies a lot and my sister who is here and we had a cousin who was a grown woman but younger than my mother and she took us to the movies a lot I love the movies but I my mother loved the theater and she would go to New York and come home and talk about plays and in all of sudden was you know mystic and when I was about eight of this musical Rogers Hammerstein came to Atlanta carousel and my sister and I went with my cousin see it and I don't know if any of you know this musical but there's a party and I where the hero gets killed and as the heroines dad is telling her to keep a stiff upper lip and she says remember that sampler you made for me remember what it said when you went on earth well my sister had just made a sampler that said to the world's best mother and she used to throw the damn thing on the floor and say I can't do this and I hated that and all it said was to the world's best mother so when they said that about when you walk let's grill so that does you no good at all we really have time for another question love like that was a great way to bring this to a close and like to thank Alfred URI and Mary hood for being here and for talking and with each other and with the audience and invite you all to come tomorrow morning to the induction ceremony here in the Special Collections library so thank you

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